Robert Rothfeder, MD

8                    ROBERT KEITH ROTHFEDER,
       9        CALLED BY THE DEFENDANT, HAVING BEEN FIRST DULY
      10         SWORN, WAS EXAMINED AND TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:
      11                      DIRECT EXAMINATION
      12    BY MR. STIRBA:
      13    Q.  DOCTOR, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND SPELL YOUR
      14    LAST NAME, PLEASE.
      15    A.  ROBERT KEITH ROTHFEDER, THAT'S R-O-T-H-F-E-D-E-R.
      16    Q.  AND WHERE DO YOU RESIDE, SIR?
      17    A.  I RESIDE IN SANDY, UTAH.
      18    Q.  AND WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING?
      19    A.  I'M A PHYSICIAN.  I SPECIALIZE IN EMERGENCY MEDICINE.
      20    Q.  AND COULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, YOUR EDUCATIONAL
      21    BACKGROUND IN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE.
      22    A.  YES.  FOLLOWING GRADUATION FROM COLLEGE AT RUTGERS
      23    UNIVERSITY IN 1969, I ATTENDED MEDICAL SCHOOL AT THE
      24    UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA MEDICAL SCHOOL IN TWIN CITIES.  I
      25    GRADUATED FROM MEDICAL SCHOOL IN 1974 AT WHICH TIME I


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       1    RELOCATED TO SALT LAKE CITY.  AND IN SALT LAKE I DID AN
       2    INTERNSHIP AND RESIDENCY IN INTERNAL MEDICINE AT THE LDS
       3    HOSPITAL AND UNIVERSITY OF UTAH SYSTEM FROM 1974 THROUGH
       4    1977.  FROM 1977 ON I'VE BEEN IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.
       5    Q.  AND GENERALLY, WHAT DOES YOUR PRIVATE PRACTICE ENTAIL?
       6    A.  IT'S CHANGED SOMEWHAT OVER THE YEARS.  FROM '77 THROUGH
       7    '94 I PRACTICED EMERGENCY MEDICINE FULL-TIME AT THE LAKEVIEW
       8    HOSPITAL IN BOUNTIFUL.  AND EMERGENCY MEDICINE IN THAT
       9    SETTING CONSISTED OF A HOSPITAL BASED PRACTICE WHERE I WOULD
      10    SEE PATIENTS IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WHO PRESENTED WITH
      11    USUAL EMERGENCIES.
      12    Q.  HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED IN COURTS IN THE STATE OF
      13    UTAH AS A MEDICAL EXPERT?
      14    A.  I HAVE IN THE STATE OF UTAH AND ELSEWHERE.  MOST OF MY
      15    TESTIMONY HAS BEEN WITH REGARD TO ISSUES SUCH AS CAUSE OF
      16    DEATH AND AFFECT OF INJURIES UPON LATER LIFE.
      17    Q.  DO YOU HAVE ANY BOARD CERTIFICATIONS?
      18    A.  BOARD CERTIFICATION IN EMERGENCY MEDICINE.
      19    Q.  AND PERHAPS SINCE YOU'VE STATED IT A FEW TIMES, MAYBE
      20    YOU COULD TELL US, PLEASE, WHAT EMERGENCY MEDICINE ENTAILS.
      21    A.  I CAN.  ACTUALLY, EMERGENCY MEDICINE IS A RELATIVELY NEW
      22    MEDICAL SPECIALTY.  WHEN I WAS IN RESIDENCY TRAINING THERE
      23    WAS NOT SUCH A SPECIALTY RECOGNIZED AND POSSIBLE EMERGENCY
      24    DEPARTMENTS WERE SERVICED BY PHYSICIANS IN A VARIETY OF
      25    SPECIALTIES WHO WOULD -- WHO WOULD ROTATE AND TAKE DAYS


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       1    COVERING THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
       2         WELL, IT TURNED OUT THAT THAT WAS LESS THAN IDEAL.  YOU
       3    MIGHT HAVE A PEDIATRICIAN TAKING CARE OF AN ADULT SURGICAL
       4    PATIENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.  SO IN ABOUT THE EARLY AND
       5    MID '70S IT BECAME RECOGNIZED THAT A BETTER SITUATION WOULD
       6    BE TO HAVE PHYSICIANS WHO SPECIALIZED IN EMERGENCY MEDICAL
       7    TREATMENT TO WORK SOLELY IN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS AND THAT'S
       8    EVOLVED OVER TIME TO THE CURRENT STATUS WHERE IN
       9    METROPOLITAN AREAS PHYSICIANS THAT WORK IN HOSPITAL
      10    EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS SPECIALIZED IN THAT.
      11         THE TYPICAL -- THE TYPICAL PATIENTS THAT ONE WOULD SEE
      12    DURING AN AVERAGE SHIFT IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WOULD BE
      13    ABOUT 50/50 IN TERMS OF PATIENTS WITH MEDICAL ILLNESSES
      14    VERSUS PATIENTS WHO HAVE SUFFERED INJURIES.  AND AMONG THOSE
      15    PATIENTS WITH MEDICAL ILLNESSES, IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH COVER
      16    THE SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR PROBLEM WAS.  THEY COULD
      17    BE HAVING HEART TROUBLE OR A STROKE OR A KIDNEY PROBLEM OR A
      18    LIVER PROBLEM OR PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEM.  THEY COULD BE MALE,
      19    FEMALE, YOUNG, ELDERLY, IN BETWEEN, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT
      20    YOU COULD THINK OF THAT MAKES SOMEBODY ILL BRINGS THEM TO
      21    THE EMERGENCY ROOM.  SIMILARLY, THE TRAUMA PATIENTS WOULD BE
      22    A HOST OF THINGS ANYWHERE FROM PEOPLE CUTTING THEIR FINGERS
      23    WASHING DISHES WHO NEEDED TO BE SEWN UP, TO KIDS BREAKING
      24    THEIR WRISTS, TO LIFE-THREATENING MULTIPLE TRAUMA IN MOTOR
      25    VEHICLE ACCIDENTS.


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       1         SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S WHAT -- THAT'S WHAT THE
       2    PRACTICE OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE IS ABOUT.  AND DURING MY
       3    CAREER, I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE AVERAGE SHIFT THERE WOULD BE
       4    AT LEAST ONE TO TWO PATIENTS COMING IN WHO HAD
       5    LIFE-THREATENING PROBLEMS AND WHO WERE AT RISK OF DYING IN
       6    THE NEXT FEW MINUTES OR HOURS.
       7    Q.  HAVE YOU IN YOUR CAREER TREATED PEOPLE WITH ACUTE
       8    INJURIES OR ACUTE CIRCUMSTANCES?
       9    A.  WELL, THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS MAYBE.
      10    Q.  AND COULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, GENERALLY THE KINDS OF
      11    ACUTE CIRCUMSTANCES OR INJURIES THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED AS
      12    AN EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN?
      13    A.  CERTAINLY.  AMONG THE MEDICAL PATIENTS, THE MOST COMMON
      14    ACUTE CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE CARDIAC HEART PROBLEMS.  PEOPLE
      15    COMING IN WITH CHEST PAIN, MANY OF WHOM WOULD TURN OUT TO
      16    HAVE HAD HEART ATTACKS, SOME OF THOSE HEART ATTACKS WITH
      17    COMPLICATIONS.  THE OTHER PATIENTS PRESENTING WITH CHEST
      18    PAIN WOULD TURN OUT TO HAVE PNEUMONIAS, WHAT WE CALL
      19    PULMONARY EMBOLI, THAT IS BLOOD CLOTS THAT GO TO THE LUNG
      20    WHICH ARE LIFE-THREATENING, STROKES WHICH ARE ALSO
      21    LIFE-THREATENING ARE VERY COMMON IN THE SENIOR CITIZEN AGE
      22    GROUP.
      23         OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE COMMON WOULD BE
      24    PROBLEMS WITH DIABETES AND THE COMPLICATION THEREOF, ASTHMA,
      25    INTESTINAL PROBLEMS, ABDOMINAL PAIN AS A PRESENTING


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       1    COMPLAINT IS PROBABLY ALMOST AS COMMON AS CHEST PAIN AND
       2    THOSE PATIENTS WOULD HAVE THINGS LIKE APPENDICITIS,
       3    GALLBLADDER DISEASE, ULCER DISEASE, BLEEDING ULCERS.  A
       4    NUMBER OF THESE PATIENTS WOULD BE IN POTENTIALLY
       5    LIFE-THREATENING SITUATIONS.  I MEAN, IT GOES ON AND ON.  I
       6    COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING.
       7         MEDICALLY WE WOULD SEE ACUTE PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCIES,
       8    SUICIDE ATTEMPTS WHERE PEOPLE TAKE OVERDOSES OF MEDICATION
       9    AND OTHER SUBSTANCES.  IN TERMS OF TRAUMA, LACERATIONS,
      10    FRACTURES, MULTIPLE TRAUMA, BLUNT TRAUMA TO THE CHEST OR
      11    ABDOMEN WHICH IS LIFE-THREATENING, PENETRATING TRAUMA TO THE
      12    CHEST OR ABDOMEN WHICH WOULD INCLUDE GUNSHOT WOUNDS, KNIFE
      13    WOUNDS, PENETRATING INJURIES FROM OTHER PROJECTILES, FROM
      14    MOTOR VEHICLE TRAUMA, HEAD INJURIES RESULTING IN
      15    UNCONSCIOUSNESS, COMA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BLEEDING INSIDE
      16    THE HEAD, SUBDURAL HEMATOMAS.  AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU HAVE A
      17    WHOLE HOST OF EMERGENCIES THAT ARE SEEN ONLY IN PEDIATRIC
      18    PATIENTS.  YOU SEE A NUMBER OF EMERGENCIES THAT ARE SEEN
      19    ONLY IN GYNECOLOGIC PATIENTS, MISCARRIAGES, VAGINAL
      20    BLEEDING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
      21    Q.  IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR PRACTICE, HAVE YOU CARED FOR AND
      22    TREATED A GERIATRIC POPULATION?
      23    A.  NOWADAYS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF
      24    PATIENTS COMING INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM ARE GERIATRIC
      25    PATIENTS, PATIENTS WITH MULTIPLE EXISTING MEDICAL PROBLEMS;


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       1    HEART PROBLEMS, DIABETES, OLD STROKES, INFECTIONS AND SO
       2    FORTH, WHO COME IN WITH SOME ACUTE CHANGE THAT REQUIRES
       3    EVALUATION SUCH AS A NEW COMPLAINT OF PAIN, CHANGE IN MENTAL
       4    STATUS, THAT TYPE OF THING.  AND ACTUALLY, FREQUENTLY THOSE
       5    PATIENTS PRESENTING WITH CHANGE IN MENTAL STATUS, CHANGE IN
       6    COMFORT ARE FOUND TO HAVE AN ACUTE MEDICAL PROBLEM WHICH HAS
       7    PRECIPITATED THE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE.
       8    Q.  DEFINE FOR US WHAT YOU MEAN BY AN ACUTE CHANGE OR AN
       9    ACUTE MEDICAL STATUS.
      10    A.  WELL, THE ACUTE BEHAVIORAL CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE WILL
      11    BE THAT THE PATIENT WILL COME FROM THE HOME OR NURSING HOME
      12    AND THEY'LL SAY THEY'RE NOT COMMUNICATING ANYMORE, YESTERDAY
      13    THEY WERE COMMUNICATIVE, WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION, TODAY
      14    THEY WON'T ANSWER ME OR THEY -- THEY ARE DISORIENTED, THEY
      15    ARE GOING THROUGH TIMES WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY
      16    ARE, THEY WON'T EAT, THEY WON'T DRINK, THEY'VE SUDDENLY
      17    BECOME INCONTINENT OF URINE OR OF STOOL.  THEY BECOME --
      18    THEY BECOME NOT ALERT, NOT REACTING TO THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE
      19    AND THEN A HOST OF -- A HOST OF MEDICAL TYPES OF SIGNS AND
      20    SYMPTOMS; THEY ARE BREATHING RAPIDLY, THEY ARE MOANING IN
      21    PAIN, THEY ARE RUNNING A FEVER, THEIR PULSE IS RAPID,
      22    THEY'RE COUGHING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
      23    Q.  IS THERE -- IS THE GERIATRIC POPULATION PARTICULARLY
      24    PRONE IN YOUR EXPERIENCE TO ACUTE MEDICAL CHANGES?
      25    A.  VERY MUCH SO.


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       1    Q.  AND WHY IS THAT DOCTOR?
       2    A.  WELL, THEY ARE FRAGILE.  THEY ARE FRAGILE, THEY ARE --
       3             MR. MAJOR:  WELL, YOUR HONOR, WE'RE GOING TO
       4    OBJECT.  WE WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOIR DIRE THIS
       5    WITNESS AND WE MAY WANT TO DO IT OUTSIDE OF THE JURY.  WE
       6    HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND ABOUT
       7    FOUNDATION THAT'S BEEN LAID HERE.
       8             THE COURT:  WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE
       9    FOUNDATION HAS BEEN LAID.
      10             MR. STIRBA:  NO, WE'RE JUST LAYING IT, I THOUGHT.
      11             THE COURT:  WELL, DO YOU WISH --
      12             MR. STIRBA:  WELL, I WOULD CERTAINLY -- I MEAN, IF
      13    THEY WANT TO VOIR DIRE THE WITNESS, GO RIGHT AHEAD AT THIS
      14    POINT.
      15             THE COURT:  OKAY.
      16                     VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION
      17    BY MR. MAJOR:
      18    Q.  DOCTOR, YOU JUST -- YOU INDICATED YOU WORK IN THE
      19    EMERGENCY ROOM; IS THAT CORRECT?
      20    A.  PARDON ME?
      21    Q.  YOU ARE AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN?
      22    A.  CORRECT.
      23    Q.  AND THAT'S SOLELY WHAT YOUR EXPERTISE IS IS WORKING IN
      24    THE EMERGENCY ROOM?
      25    A.  I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S SOLELY MY EXPERTISE.


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       1    Q.  BUT IN WORKING IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM GENERALLY A PATIENT
       2    COMES IN WITH ACUTE PROBLEMS, YOU CURE THE ACUTE PROBLEM; IS
       3    THAT CORRECT?
       4    A.  YOU SOMETIMES CURE THEM AND YOU SOMETIMES DON'T.
       5    Q.  YOU DON'T.  BUT ONCE YOU'VE STABILIZED A PATIENT THEN
       6    THEY ARE SENT TO OTHER AREAS IN THE HOSPITAL LIKE THE I.C.U.
       7    OR SOME OTHER AREAS OF THE HOSPITAL OR SENT HOME; IS THAT
       8    CORRECT?
       9    A.  SOMETIMES.
      10    Q.  OKAY.  AND SOMETIMES YOU ARE ABLE TO CURE THEM AND THEY
      11    HAVE NO FURTHER PROBLEM; IS THAT CORRECT?
      12    A.  CORRECT.
      13    Q.  YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE AS PART OF YOUR E.R.
      14    TRAINING OR YOUR EMERGENCY ROOM TRAINING, YOU DON'T DO ANY
      15    LONG-TERM CARE FOR PATIENTS, DO YOU?
      16    A.  NO, THAT'S INCORRECT.  ACTUALLY, MY PRESENT PRACTICE, I
      17    DIDN'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT FROM
      18    ABOUT '94 THROUGH THE PRESENT --
      19    Q.  BUT I'M JUST ASKING AS A AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN  --
      20             MR. STIRBA:  YOUR HONOR, HE WAS ANSWERING A
      21    QUESTION THAT COUNSEL PUT TO HIM AND I BELIEVE HE'S ENTITLED
      22    TO DO THAT.
      23             THE COURT:  ANSWER THE LAST QUESTION AND ASK THE
      24    NEXT QUESTION.
      25    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  MY QUESTION WAS:  AS AN EMERGENCY ROOM


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       1    PHYSICIAN, YOU DON'T ENGAGE IN LONG-TERM CARE?
       2    A.  THAT'S CORRECT, WHEN I'M PRACTICING IN THE EMERGENCY
       3    ROOM I DON'T ENGAGE IN LONG-TERM CARE.
       4    Q.  AND YOU DON'T ENGAGE IN GERIATRICS, IS THAT CORRECT, YOU
       5    DON'T HAVE TRAINING IN GERIATRICS CARE AS FAR AS DEALING
       6    SOLELY WITH OLDER PATIENTS?
       7    A.  WELL, AS I TESTIFIED, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CLINICAL
       8    WORK I DO INVOLVES ELDERLY PATIENTS.
       9    Q.  AND DOES THAT INVOLVE WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND ACUTE
      10    TYPE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT?
      11    A.  SOME OF IT DOES.
      12    Q.  OKAY.  WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I GUESS MR.
      13    STIRBA WILL, BUT I'LL SAVE HIM THE TROUBLE.  BUT WHAT HAVE
      14    YOU DONE AFTER 1994?
      15    A.  WELL, I'VE CONTINUED TO WORK IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM
      16    DEPARTMENT BUT I ALSO HAVE A PRIVATE PRACTICE IN SALT LAKE
      17    CITY WHERE I SEE PATIENTS IN MY OFFICE TWO DAYS A WEEK THAT
      18    I FOLLOW LONG TERM, MOST OF WHOM HAVE BEEN INJURED IN MOTOR
      19    VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND HAVE CHRONIC PAIN PROBLEMS.
      20    Q.  RIGHT.  AND ACCORDING TO YOUR CURRICULUM VITAE, THAT IS
      21    BASICALLY WHAT YOU DEAL WITH IS AS INDICATED LIMITED TO THE
      22    EVALUATION AND REHABILITATION OF MOTOR VEHICLE-RELATED
      23    TRAUMA; IS THAT CORRECT?
      24    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      25    Q.  SO YOU ARE NOT TRAINED OR HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN


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       1    GERIATRICS?
       2    A.  I'VE ALREADY TESTIFIED IN TERMS OF WHAT --
       3    Q.  WELL, I MEAN SPECIFIC TRAINING.  ANY EXPERTISE IN
       4    GERIATRICS?
       5    A.  I'VE TESTIFIED AS TO WHAT MY EXPERTISE IS.  IT'S NOT
       6    DIFFERENT THAN TAKING CARE OF MOST PATIENTS.
       7    Q.  DO YOU HAVE ANY TRAINING OR EXPERTISE IN PHARMACOLOGY?
       8    A.  I DO AS IT RELATES TO THE CLINICAL PRACTICE I'VE HAD, AS
       9    OTHER PHYSICIANS DO.
      10    Q.  AND ANY TRAINING -- AGAIN, NO TRAINING OR EXPERTISE IN
      11    PSYCHIATRY?
      12    A.  PSYCHIATRY IS PART OF WHAT I DO.
      13    Q.  BUT YOU ARE NOT A TRAINED PSYCHIATRIST?
      14    A.  I'M NOT -- I DON'T SPECIALIZE AS A PSYCHIATRIST, THAT'S
      15    CORRECT.
      16    Q.  AND YOU HAVE NO SPECIAL TRAINING OR EXPERTISE IN PAIN
      17    MANAGEMENT?
      18    A.  I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
      19    Q.  WELL, OTHER THAN AS JUST A REGULAR DOCTOR IN YOUR
      20    REGULAR PRACTICE?
      21    A.  WELL, AS A REGULAR DOCTOR IN MY REGULAR PRACTICE I SEE
      22    REGULAR PATIENTS WHO HAVE CHRONIC PAIN.
      23    Q.  BUT YOU DON'T HOLD YOURSELF OUT AS AN EXPERT IN THAT
      24    AREA?
      25    A.  I PROBABLY DO.


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       1             THE COURT:  OKAY.  MR. STIRBA?
       2             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, BASED ON THAT, HIS
       3    CRITERIA, THE STATE BELIEVES HE'S NOT A QUALIFIED EXPERT TO
       4    BE TESTIFYING ABOUT THESE PATIENTS.  NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE
       5    GERIATRIC --
       6             THE COURT:  WELL, LET'S -- IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
       7    AN ARGUMENT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU
       8    JUST TAKE A SHORT BREAK.  IF YOU WANT TO GO OUTSIDE, THAT'S
       9    FINE BUT BE IN A PLACE WHERE THE BAILIFF CALLS YOU THAT
      10    YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN IN A FEW MINUTES.
      11         SO DURING THIS BREAK IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO CONVERSE
      12    AMONG YOURSELVES OR TO CONVERSE WITH OR ALLOW YOURSELVES TO
      13    BE ADDRESSED BY ANY OTHER PERSON ON ANY SUBJECT OF THE
      14    TRIAL.  IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO FORM OR EXPRESS AN OPINION
      15    UNTIL THE CASE IS FINALLY SUBMITTED TO YOU.  SO IF YOU'LL --
      16    WE'LL CALL YOU WHEN WE'RE READY.
      17               (WHEREUPON THE JURY WAS EXCUSED.)
      18             THE COURT:  OKAY.  PLEASE BE SEATED.  THE RECORD
      19    WILL REFLECT THAT THE JURY HAS LEFT THE COURTROOM.  MR.
      20    MAJOR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE YOUR MOTION.
      21             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, OUR MOTION, BASED ON THE
      22    VOIR DIRE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE BASED ON THE WITNESS'S
      23    CURRICULUM VITAE AND SO FORTH, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE
      24    QUALIFIES AS AN EXPERT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.  HE'S AN
      25    EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN.  AS AN EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN HE HAS


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       1    VERY LITTLE EXPERTISE OR EXPERIENCE IN LONG-TERM CARE WHICH
       2    ALL OF THESE PATIENTS WERE.  NONE OF THESE PATIENTS WERE
       3    EMERGENCY ROOM TYPE CASES.  I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE
       4    OTHER THAN MAYBE ELLEN ANDERSON THAT THEY CAME IN WITH ANY
       5    TYPE OF ACUTE PROBLEMS.  ALL OF THE PROBLEMS DEVELOPED LATER
       6    ON.
       7         HE HAS NO EXPERTISE IN GERIATRIC, PSYCHIATRY, HE WOULD
       8    NOT HAVE ANY EXPERTISE IN THE USE OF PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS.  HE
       9    WOULD HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN PAIN MANAGEMENT OTHER THAN WHAT
      10    HE HAS DONE AS A GENERAL PHYSICIAN.  AND I THINK IS WHAT
      11    THIS COURT HAS BEEN HOLDING BOTH THE STATE'S SIDE AND IN THE
      12    OTHER WITNESSES IS THEY HAVE TO HOLD THEMSELVES OUT TO
      13    SOMETHING BEYOND JUST WHAT A NORMAL DOCTOR WOULD BE ABLE TO
      14    DO.  AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS
      15    MR. ROTHFEDER -- OR DR. ROTHFEDER, I SHOULD SAY, I
      16    APOLOGIZE, HAS THAT EXPERTISE.  HE'S AN EMERGENCY ROOM
      17    PHYSICIAN, HE DEALS WITH ACUTE PATIENTS WHERE THEY COME IN,
      18    HE DEALS WITH THEM AND THEY ARE OUT.  IN HIS PRIVATE
      19    PRACTICE HE DEALS WITH TRAUMA, PEOPLE INVOLVED IN TRAFFIC
      20    ACCIDENTS.  NONE OF THESE PATIENTS HAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT
      21    INJURIES, NONE OF THESE PATIENTS HAD THAT TYPE OF INJURY.
      22         THE TESTIMONY IS THESE PATIENTS CAME IN AND GRADUALLY
      23    OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THEIR HEALTH DETERIORATED AND WHAT
      24    CAUSED THAT DETERIORATION IS THE ISSUE BEFORE THIS JURY.
      25    BUT THIS DOCTOR DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO TESTIFY


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       1    CONCERNING THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
       2             THE COURT:  SO IS IT YOUR POSITION UNLESS A PERSON
       3    IS BOARD CERTIFIED IN GERIATRICS OR PSYCHIATRY THEY CAN NOT
       4    BE AN EXPERT WITNESS IN THIS CASE?
       5             MR. MAJOR:  WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE COURT -- WHEN WE
       6    HAD BEEN DEALING WITH SOME OF THE STATE'S WITNESSES, I
       7    BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE COURT HAS BASICALLY BEEN HOLDING
       8    WHEN WE BROUGHT IN SOME OF OUR DOCTORS --
       9             THE COURT:  WERE ALL OF YOUR EXPERTS GERIATRIC
      10    SPECIALISTS?
      11             MR. MAJOR:  WELL, WE DIDN'T CALL A GERIATRIC --
      12    FEHLAUER WAS OUR GERIATRIC SPECIALIST AND HE QUALIFIED
      13    THAT'S WHAT HE DID, THAT'S WHAT HIS CURRICULUM VITAE HAS
      14    TOTALLY DEALT WITH.  DR. HARE WAS A PHARMACOLOGIST OR
      15    TOXICOLOGIST, PAIN MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST, HE HAS ALL OF THE
      16    TRAINING, BOARD CERTIFICATIONS IN THOSE AREAS.
      17    DR. CROOKSTON WAS A PSYCHIATRIST WHO DEALT IN ALL THOSE
      18    AREAS.  AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT I RECALL THERE MAY HAVE
      19    BEEN SOME LIMITATIONS ON HOW FAR OUR -- MOTIONS BY THE
      20    DEFENSE ON HOW FAR THOSE EXPERTS THEMSELVES COULD GO BEYOND
      21    THEIR PARTICULAR FIELD.  I MEAN, WE DEALT WITH THOSE MOTIONS
      22    NUMEROUS TIMES AND NOW THE DEFENSE IS BRINGING A DOCTOR IN
      23    HERE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE QUALIFICATIONS BUT
      24    YET WE'RE JUST RAISING THOSE SAME ISSUES THAT THE DEFENSE
      25    DID.


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       1             THE COURT:  LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THIS WITNESS CAN
       2    TESTIFY.  WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?
       3             MR. STIRBA:  WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOUR HONOR, I
       4    DON'T THINK THE COURT HAS EVEN RULED WITH RESPECT TO
       5    LIMITING THE SCOPE OF ANY OF THE TESTIMONY OF THE STATE'S
       6    WITNESSES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY TESTIFIED TO.
       7             THE COURT:  THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE RULED ABOUT
       8    REGARDED THE -- WHETHER THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE ASKED
       9    OPINIONS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WERE IN THEIR REPORTS.
      10             MR. STIRBA:  THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND I THINK
      11    THAT'S THE ONLY OBJECTION YOU HEARD FROM THE DEFENSE.  THE
      12    ARGUMENTS MADE BY COUNSEL, AND I DID CROSS SOME OF THEIR
      13    WITNESSES ON THIS VERY ISSUE ABOUT THEIR EXPERTISE, I THINK
      14    IT'S ARGUMENT.  IT GOES TO WEIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY TO
      15    WHETHER HE'S QUALIFIED.
      16         HE'S GOING TO TESTIFY AS A CAUSE OF DEATH EXPERT, YOUR
      17    HONOR.  HE'S NOT TESTIFYING IN SOME GREATER VAIN THAN THAT.
      18    AND I THINK SOMEBODY WHO HAS HIS QUALIFICATIONS IS
      19    INORDINATELY QUALIFIED AND UNIQUELY QUALIFIED GIVEN THE
      20    FACTS OF THESE CASES TO TESTIFY AS TO CAUSE OF DEATH.  I
      21    MEAN OBVIOUSLY HE'S TREATED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN VERY
      22    SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES AND I THINK THAT ANY OTHER ISSUE ABOUT
      23    WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A PARTICULAR EXPERTISE IN MEDICINE OR
      24    HE DOESN'T OR WHAT HAVE YOU REALLY GOES TO CROSS-EXAMINATION
      25    AND GOES TO ARGUMENT AND GOES TO WEIGHT.


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       1         HE'S ALREADY TESTIFIED HE IS QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT
       2    BEFORE IN THE STATE OF UTAH.  I WILL GO ON TO ASK HIM IF
       3    HE'S QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO CAUSE
       4    OF DEATH IN OTHER COURTS IN THE STATE AND I'LL PROFFER TO
       5    THE COURT THAT HE WILL TESTIFY THAT HE HAS AND HE HAS THE
       6    REQUISITE MEDICAL EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING TO DO THIS.
       7         AND AS FAR AS SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT WERE
       8    JUST MADE ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS, I HEARD WHAT HE WAS
       9    ASKED AS YOUR HONOR DID AND I THINK HE ANSWERED THOSE
      10    QUESTIONS, THAT HE HAD ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ESSENTIALLY
      11    WERE ASKED OF HIM, EITHER IN HIS CLINICAL PRACTICE PRESENTLY
      12    OR IN HIS PRACTICE AS AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN AND
      13    EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST ARGUMENT.
      14             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE IF THIS
      15    PERSON IS ON CAUSE OF DEATH, NOT ON GERIATRICS OR PSYCHIATRY
      16    OR PAIN MANAGEMENT, BUT CAUSE OF DEATH?
      17             MR. MAJOR:  WELL, IF HE CAN DEAL WITH CAUSE OF
      18    DEATH, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS PART OF THE
      19    CAUSE OF DEATH AT LEAST FROM THE POINT OF VIEW FROM THE
      20    STATE WOULD BE THE PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS AND THE OVERDOSING
      21    OF -- AND THE USE OF THE MORPHINE.  IF THIS WITNESS DOES NOT
      22    HAVE THE EXPERTISE AS A PSYCHIATRIST OR AN EXPERTISE IN THE
      23    AREA OF GERIATRICS IN DEALING WITH GERIATRICS, I DON'T
      24    BELIEVE HE CAN TESTIFY TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH IF HE DOESN'T
      25    KNOW THE AFFECTS OF CERTAIN PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS.  AND I DON'T


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       1    BELIEVE HE'S BEEN ABLE TO SAY HE'S HAD THE EXPERTISE IN
       2    DEALING WITH THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
       3             THE COURT:  WELL, ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT HE DOES NOT
       4    HAVE THE REQUISITE HELP UNDER RULE 702 TO ASSIST THE JURY ON
       5    CAUSE OF DEATH WHETHER HE CAN ASSIST THEM ON ALL THE OTHER
       6    ISSUES?
       7             MR. MAJOR:  YES.  BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, YOUR HONOR,
       8    IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE
       9    EXPERTISE AND I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S BEEN ABLE TO EXPRESS THE
      10    FACT THAT HE HAS THAT EXPERTISE THAT IN FACT HE CAN HELP THE
      11    JURORS.
      12             THE COURT:  WELL, WHO DO YOU CLAIM CAN GIVE A CAUSE
      13    OF DEATH -- WHO CAN BE A CAUSE OF DEATH EXPERT IN THIS, JUST
      14    THE MEDICAL EXAMINER?
      15             MR. MAJOR:  NO.  YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS
      16    EXPERTISE AND HAS HAD TRAINING AS DR. FEHLAUER DID IN THE
      17    GERIATRIC TREATING.  YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN DISCUSS
      18    THE SPECIFIC DRUGS THAT WERE GIVEN IN THIS CASE.  DR. HARE
      19    WHO WAS A TOXICOLOGIST WHO CAN TALK ABOUT THE EFFECTS,
      20    CUMULATIVE EFFECTS THAT THE DRUGS HAVE ON THESE PATIENTS.
      21    YOU HAVE DR. CROOKSTON WHICH IS A PSYCHIATRIST WHO CAN DO
      22    THE SAME TYPE OF THING ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, SPECIFICALLY
      23    FOR PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS, SPECIFICALLY FOR ELDERLY PATIENTS
      24    AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE REALM OF THE USE OF THE DRUGS THAT
      25    ARE PRESENT.


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       1             THE COURT:  OKAY.  SO A DOCTOR WHO WORKS WITH
       2    PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHICH HE HAS TESTIFIED
       3    ARE SOMETIMES DISORIENTED, SOMETIMES HAVE PSYCHIATRIC
       4    PROBLEMS, HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS, PEOPLE WHO COME AND I ASSUME,
       5    WE HAVEN'T HEARD THIS YET, BUT I ASSUME PEOPLE DIE IN THE
       6    EMERGENCY ROOM, THAT HE HAS SEEN THOSE FROM WHATEVER CAUSES,
       7    WHETHER THEY WERE TRAUMATIC CAUSES OR MEDICAL CAUSES AS HE'S
       8    DEFINED THEM AND THAT PERSON KIND OF WORKS DAY IN AND DAY
       9    OUT WITH DEATH CANNOT TESTIFY AS TO CAUSE OF DEATH, IS
      10    THAT --
      11             MR. MAJOR:  NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE WE HAVE
      12    HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE LONG-TERM PATIENTS WHO HAVE HAD
      13    TREATMENT OVER THE LONG TERM.  AND IN MOST EMERGENCY
      14    SITUATIONS THE SITUATION IS VERY ACUTE.  YOU BRING THE
      15    PATIENT IN, THE SITUATION IS ACUTE AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
      16    YOU TREAT IT OR DON'T TREAT IT, ONCE IT'S TREATED THE
      17    PATIENT GOES ON.
      18         OUR CONCERN IS HE HAS NO EXPERTISE IN BEING ABLE TO SAY
      19    OVER THE LONG-TERM CARE OF THESE PATIENTS, THIS IS THE
      20    SITUATION.  I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE
      21    PATIENT HAD COME IN ON A AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT, THE REST HOME
      22    HAD RUSHED THEM DOWN TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM OR THE UNIT HAD
      23    RUSHED THEM DOWN TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND SAID, HEY, WE
      24    THINK THIS AND THIS AND THIS HAS HAPPENED AND THEN THEY
      25    DIED, I THINK HE WOULD BE QUALIFIED.  BUT WHERE YOU HAVE


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       1    PATIENTS WHO HAVE BEEN IN A UNIT FOR WEEKS AND ALL OF THESE
       2    OTHER GERIATRIC, ALL OF THESE AGE THINGS APPLY, I DON'T
       3    THINK THAT HE WOULD BE QUALIFY TO TESTIFY TO THAT, YOUR
       4    HONOR.
       5             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WELL, RULE 702 OF THE UTAH RULES
       6    OF EVIDENCE STATES IN REGARD TO TESTIMONY BY EXPERTS, "IF
       7    SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL OR OTHER SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE WILL
       8    ASSIST THE TRIER OF FACT TO UNDERSTAND THE EVIDENCE OR TO
       9    DETERMINE A FACT IN ISSUE.  A WITNESS QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT
      10    BY KNOWLEDGE, SKILL, EXPERIENCE, TRAINING OR EDUCATION MAY
      11    TESTIFY THERETO IN THE FORM AN OPINION OR OTHERWISE."
      12         AS TO HIS QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT FOUNDATION HAS BEEN LAID
      13    AND THE VOIR DIRE, I'M GOING TO OVERRULE THE OBJECTION.  I'M
      14    GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO TESTIFY AS TO CAUSE OF DEATH.  ALL THE
      15    THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT OUT GO TO THE WEIGHT WHETHER THE
      16    JURY OUGHT TO REGARD OR DISREGARD HIS TESTIMONY.  BUT
      17    WHETHER HE HAS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE IN CAUSE OF DEATH,
      18    I FIND THAT HE DOES.  SO I'LL ASK THE JURY -- THE BAILIFF TO
      19    BRING THE JURY BACK IN.
      20             MR. STIRBA:  BEFORE WE DO THAT, JUDGE, CAN I HAVE
      21    AN UNDERSTANDING NOW, ARE WE OKAY WITH THE BINDERS?
      22             MR. MAJOR:  I HAVE NO OBJECTION.  ARE WE ACTUALLY
      23    ADMITTING THEM?
      24             MR. STIRBA:  OH, NO, NO.  I'M JUST GOING TO USE
      25    THEM --


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       1             THE COURT:  THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANDED OUT TO THE
       2    JURORS, COLLECTED AFTER HIS TESTIMONY NOT BE AN EXHIBIT.
       3             MR. STIRBA:  THAT'S RIGHT.  THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.
       4             THE COURT:  OKAY.  THAT'S THE BASIS.  IS THERE ANY
       5    PROBLEM WITH THAT?
       6             MR. MAJOR:  NO, NO, OBJECTION.
       7             MR. MAY:  SHOULD I JUST PUT THEM ON THE CHAIR
       8    BEFORE THEY COME IN?
       9             THE COURT:  THAT'S PROBABLY FINE AND YOU CAN
      10    EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
      11             MR. STIRBA:  YOUR HONOR, MAY I APPROACH?
      12             THE COURT:  THANK YOU.
      13          (WHEREUPON THE JURY ENTERED THE COURTROOM.)
      14             THE COURT:  PLEASE BE SEATED, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
      15    THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT THE JURY IS PRESENT, THERE HAVE
      16    BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO YOU SOME EXHIBITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
      17    USED TO HELP YOU TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH THIS WITNESS'S
      18    TESTIMONY.  THEY ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR ILLUSTRATIVE
      19    PURPOSES.  YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO READ ALONG AS THIS
      20    WITNESS HAS TESTIFIED ON DIRECT AND CROSS-EXAMINATION AND
      21    THEN THEY'LL BE COLLECTED AFTER BUT RATHER THAN -- IS THIS
      22    TO AVOID SHOWING --
      23             MR. STIRBA:  RIGHT, I THINK IT EXPEDITES THE WHOLE
      24    PROCESS, YOUR HONOR.
      25             THE COURT:  ALL RIGHT.  SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE


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       1    THERE FOR.  ALL RIGHT.  IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.
       2             MR. STIRBA:  THANK YOU.
       3                  DIRECT EXAMINATION, CONT'D
       4    BY MR. STIRBA:
       5    Q.  DOCTOR, THE QUESTION I HAD POSED TO YOU WAS:  THE
       6    GERIATRIC POPULATION, IS IT PARTICULARLY PRONE TO THE
       7    DEVELOPMENT OF ACUTE MEDICAL PROBLEMS?
       8    A.  AND I ANSWERED THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
       9    Q.  YES.  AND WOULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, WHY THAT IS?
      10    A.  YES.  THIS POPULATION OF PATIENTS IS TYPICALLY VERY
      11    FRAGILE DUE TO BOTH ADVANCED AGE AND TO COEXISTENT DISEASE
      12    AND MANY OF THESE PATIENTS WILL HAVE MULTIPLE ORGAN SYSTEM
      13    DISEASE.  FOR INSTANCE, THEY'LL HAVE HEART PROBLEMS, THEY'LL
      14    HAVE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM PROBLEMS FROM THINGS LIKE
      15    PREVIOUS STROKES, DEMENTIA, ALZHEIMER'S AND SO FORTH.
      16    THEY'LL HAVE CIRCULATORY PROBLEMS IN ADDITION TO THEIR
      17    HEART.  THEIR BLOOD VESSELS GOING TO THE VARIOUS PARTS OF
      18    THE BODY WILL BE NARROWED FROM DISEASE.  THEY CAN HAVE
      19    GASTROINTESTINAL PROBLEMS, KIDNEY PROBLEMS.
      20         MOST ELDERLY PATIENTS HAVE ALTERED IMMUNE SYSTEMS SO
      21    THAT THEY RESPOND DIFFERENTLY TO INFECTION THAN YOUNGER
      22    PATIENTS.  AND IN GENERAL, COEXISTENT CONDITIONS THAT WOULD
      23    BE TRIVIAL OR CERTAINLY NOT REQUIRE IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE
      24    IN YOUNGER PATIENTS, THINGS LIKE BLADDER INFECTIONS AND
      25    DEHYDRATION, CAN CAUSE EXTREME CHANGES IN THE GERIATRIC


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       1    POPULATION AND IN FACT BE LIFE-THREATENING AND
       2    THAT'S....THAT TYPE OF A PHENOMENON IS SEEN ALL THE TIME.
       3    Q.  IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE
       4    DONE IN YOUR MEDICAL PRACTICE AND YOUR EXPERTISE IN
       5    DETERMINING CAUSE OF DEATH?
       6    A.  WELL, I BELIEVE SO.  UNFORTUNATELY IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM
       7    PRACTICE PATIENTS DIE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM.  PATIENTS DIE
       8    MINUTES OR HOURS AFTER BEING ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL FROM
       9    THE EMERGENCY ROOM.  AND WHEN THE PATIENT COMES INTO THE
      10    EMERGENCY ROOM WITH A PARTICULAR PROBLEM, THE WAY WE START
      11    IS TO TAKE A HISTORY AND INVESTIGATE WHAT THEIR STATUS IS
      12    BEFORE THEY ARRIVE, WHAT THEIR KNOWN MEDICAL PROBLEMS ARE,
      13    WHAT MEDICATIONS THEY ARE TAKING, WHAT THEIR RECENT SYMPTOMS
      14    ARE.  THEN ONE EXAMINES THE PATIENT, DOES TESTS AND PUTS
      15    EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT COMBINATION OF
      16    CIRCUMSTANCES HAS LED TO THE ACUTE EVENT AND THE --
      17    SOMETIMES THE ACUTE EVENT RESULTS IN DEATH, AND IN THOSE
      18    CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE A DIAGNOSIS OR
      19    AT LEAST A DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS.
      20         A DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS IS TO LIST THE THINGS THAT
      21    POSSIBLY CAN BE CAUSING OR CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACUTE EVENT.
      22    AND, IN FACT, IT IS NOT AT ALL UNCOMMON FOR US TO BE ASKED
      23    TO CERTIFY THE DEATH AND SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE WHEN THE
      24    PATIENT EXPIRES IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND I'VE DONE THAT, IF
      25    NOT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, MANY, MANY DOZENS OF TIMES WHERE I'VE


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       1    BEEN THE ONE TO CERTIFY THE CAUSE OF DEATH.
       2    Q.  HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY BEEN QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT IN THE
       3    COURTS IN UTAH ON THE QUESTION OF CAUSE OF DEATH?
       4    A.  I HAVE.
       5    Q.  AND COULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, HOW YOU GO ABOUT
       6    GENERALLY DETERMINING A CAUSE OF DEATH?
       7    A.  IN THE SITUATION YOU JUST REFERENCED AS AN EXPERT?
       8    Q.  YES.
       9    A.  YES.  THE WAY THAT'S TYPICALLY DONE IS TO GO THROUGH ALL
      10    OF THE MEDICAL RECORDS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT REFERENCE
      11    THE CASE.  SO WHAT I WOULD DO WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE
      12    MEDICAL RECORDS FROM THE TREATMENT FOR WHATEVER THE ACUTE
      13    EVENT WAS, LOOK AT THE MEDICAL RECORDS THAT CAN BE OBTAINED
      14    REGARDING ALL OF THE PAST MEDICAL HISTORY, AS FAR BACK AS
      15    THEY CAN BE OBTAINED, TO REVIEW -- REVIEW TESTS AND X-RAYS
      16    AND OTHER DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES.  AND FREQUENTLY IT'S
      17    POSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE -- TO HAVE THE X-RAY FILMS OR
      18    THE SCANS OR THOSE TYPES OF MATERIALS TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY
      19    REVIEW IN ADDITION TO THE DICTATED REPORT BY WHATEVER
      20    RADIOLOGIST REVIEWED THAT.
      21         IF AN AUTOPSY HAS BEEN PERFORMED ON THE DECEDENT, THEN
      22    I REVIEW THE AUTOPSY REPORT.  AND IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES
      23    THERE IS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS AND OTHER MATERIALS THAT WILL
      24    ASSIST PIECING TOGETHER HISTORICAL DATA UPON WHICH IT'S
      25    POSSIBLE TO FORM AN OPINION.  ONCE IN A WHILE, WHEN


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       1    APPROPRIATE, I'LL INTERVIEW PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE
       2    CASE IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE BEYOND THE REVIEW
       3    OF THE RECORDS, BUT THAT'S -- IT VARIES A LOT CASE BY CASE,
       4    BUT THAT IN ESSENCE IS THE PROCESS THAT I GO THROUGH IN
       5    FORMING AN OPINION IN TERMS OF CAUSE OF DEATH.
       6    Q.  IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU HAVE BEEN RETAINED AS AN
       7    EXPERT TO RENDER AN OPINION CONCERNING CAUSE OF DEATH; IS
       8    THAT RIGHT?
       9    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      10    Q.  AND YOU ARE AWARE THAT AN AUTOPSY OR AUTOPSIES HAVE BEEN
      11    DONE AND REPORTS CREATED BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE?
      12    A.  I ATTENDED TWO OF THE AUTOPSIES PERSONALLY AND REVIEWED
      13    ALL FIVE OF THE AUTOPSY REPORTS GENERATED BY THE UTAH STATE
      14    MEDICAL EXAMINER.
      15    Q.  AND TELL US WHAT SIGNIFICANCE THE ATTENDANCE AT THE
      16    AUTOPSIES AND THE REVIEW OF THE REPORTS HAS IN TERMS OF YOUR
      17    OPINION AS TO CAUSE OF DEATH.
      18    A.  THE ATTENDANCE AT THE AUTOPSY AND THE REVIEW OF THE
      19    REPORTS ALLOWS ME TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE ANATOMIC
      20    FINDINGS WERE AT AUTOPSY.  SO THAT BY ATTENDANCE, I CAN
      21    ACTUALLY LOOK AND BY REVIEW OF THE REPORTS, I CAN SEE
      22    SECONDHAND WHAT THE STATUS OF THE VARIOUS ORGANS AND TISSUES
      23    WERE AT AUTOPSY.  FOR INSTANCE, WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE
      24    HEART WAS, WAS IT NORMAL, WAS IT ABNORMAL, WAS THERE AN
      25    ARTIFICIAL VALVE IN THERE, WERE THE CORONARY ARTERIES


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       1    NORMAL, WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE BRAIN, WHAT'S THE
       2    CONDITION OF THE LUNGS, WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF ALL OF THE
       3    OTHER ORGANS, WHAT'S THE CONDITIONS OF THE SKELETAL SYSTEM.
       4         AND SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS IS YOU ARE --
       5    YOU'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK DIRECTLY AT WHAT THE
       6    STATUS OF THE PATIENT IS ANATOMICALLY AND THAT'S A LITTLE
       7    BIT DIFFERENT THAN PHYSIOLOGICALLY.  PHYSIOLOGICALLY MEANS
       8    HOW THE BODY, THE MACHINE FUNCTION AND THERE ARE CERTAIN
       9    THINGS YOU CAN DETERMINE BY AUTOPSY REGARDING PHYSIOLOGY AND
      10    OTHERS YOU CAN'T.  BUT THE AUTOPSY BASICALLY GIVES YOU THE
      11    OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE STATUS OF THE ANATOMY OF THE ORGAN
      12    AND TISSUES OF THE DECEDENT.
      13    Q.  CONCERNING THE FIVE PATIENTS IN THIS CASE, HAVE YOU
      14    REVIEWED ANY MEDICAL HISTORY PRIOR TO THEIR ADMISSION TO THE
      15    DAVIS HOSPITAL?
      16    A.  I'VE REVIEWED A RATHER LARGE FILE OF DOCUMENTS ON THE
      17    FIVE PATIENTS COMBINED.
      18    Q.  COULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, IS THE REVIEW OF MEDICAL
      19    HISTORY IMPORTANT FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING CAUSE OF
      20    HEALTH?
      21    A.  IT IS.
      22    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHY.
      23    A.  THE REVIEW OF THE MEDICAL HISTORY GIVES YOU AN IDEA
      24    BEYOND WHAT CAN BE DETERMINED FROM THE ANATOMIC FINDINGS AT
      25    AUTOPSY IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONALLY WHAT'S GONE ON WITH THESE


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       1    PATIENTS IN THE PAST.  WHAT KIND OF DISEASES THEY'VE
       2    SUFFERED, WHAT KIND OF SURGERIES THEY'VE HAD, WHAT KIND OF
       3    PROBLEMS HAVE THREATENED THEIR HEALTH AND WHETHER THEY
       4    RECOVERED FROM THOSE COMPLETELY OR PARTIALLY OR NOT AT ALL.
       5    THE MEDICAL HISTORY AND THE RECORDS THAT REFLECT THAT REALLY
       6    GIVES YOU THE BEST PICTURE OF WHAT THEIR STATE OF HEALTH WAS
       7    OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME REFLECTED BY THE RECORDS.
       8    Q.  HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCE IN THE USE OF MORPHINE?
       9    A.  IT WOULD BE A RARE DAY IN MY HOSPITAL PRACTICE THAT I
      10    DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE MORPHINE ON A PATIENT.
      11    Q.  AND HAVE YOU -- IN TERMS OF YOUR OPINION, HAVE YOU
      12    CONSIDERED THE EFFECTS OR LACK THEREOF OF MORPHINE
      13    CONCERNING THESE FIVE PATIENTS?
      14    A.  I HAVE.
      15    Q.  AND COULD YOU GENERALLY JUST TELL US, PLEASE, THE
      16    RELATIONSHIP OF MORPHINE IN TERMS OF YOUR EVALUATION OF
      17    THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE?
      18             MR. MAJOR:  WELL, YOUR HONOR, WE'RE GOING TO OBJECT
      19    IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR OVERALL CIRCUMSTANCES OR ARE WE
      20    TALKING ABOUT THEIR CAUSE OF DEATH?
      21             MR. STIRBA:  I CAN REPHRASE IT, YOUR HONOR.
      22             THE COURT:  OKAY.
      23    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  IN TERMS OF THEIR CAUSE OF DEATH.
      24    A.  I SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE
      25    MORPHINE THAT THEY RECEIVED AND THEIR DEATHS.


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       1    Q.  YOU REFERENCED YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE USE OF MORPHINE,
       2    COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC GENERALLY HOW YOU HAVE USED IT
       3    AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH IT?
       4    A.  YES.  MORPHINE IS THE...SOME PEOPLE MIGHT REFER TO IT AS
       5    THE GOLD STANDARD BUT IT'S THE TIME-HONORED DRUG FOR RELIEF
       6    OF PAIN AND WE USE IT IN A WIDE VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES FOR
       7    VARIOUS PATIENT PROBLEMS.  AND, FOR INSTANCE, MORPHINE --
       8    MORPHINE IS GIVEN ALMOST INVARIABLY IN PATIENTS WHO ARE
       9    SUFFERING HEART ATTACKS.
      10             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, I THINK THIS GOES BEYOND
      11    THE SCOPE OF THE QUESTION.
      12             THE COURT:  DO YOU WANT TO --
      13             MR. STIRBA:  SURE.
      14    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  HOW IS IT USED, DOCTOR, HOW IS
      15    MORPHINE USED?
      16    A.  IT'S USED FOR PAIN RELIEF IN SITUATIONS THAT REQUIRE IT.
      17    Q.  FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT USED IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES
      18    CONCERNING CARDIAC DYSFUNCTION?
      19    A.  IT IS.  IT'S INVARIABLY USED WHEN PATIENTS ARE SUFFERING
      20    A HEART ATTACK AND IT'S USED ACTUALLY FOR TWO PURPOSES TO --
      21    IT RELIEVES THE PAIN AND IT PRODUCES -- MORPHINE HAS A
      22    CERTAIN EUPHORIC EFFECT.  PATIENTS SUFFERING A HEART ATTACK
      23    ARE UNDER A SEVERE AMOUNT OF BOTH PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL
      24    STRESS BOTH OF WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE WORKLOAD ON THE
      25    DAMAGED HEART, AND MORPHINE IS USED SPECIFICALLY TO RELIEVE


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       1    THE PAIN AND THE STRESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ACUTE HEART
       2    CONDITION.
       3    Q.  NOW, DOCTOR, UP THERE IN FRONT OF YOU YOU HAVE FIVE
       4    BINDERS WHICH ARE THE EXHIBITS IN THIS CASE.  THEY ARE THE
       5    MEDICAL RECORDS FOR EACH ONE OF THE PATIENTS AND YOU ALSO
       6    HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A WHITE BINDER.
       7    A.  I DO.
       8    Q.  GENERALLY, COULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, IN TERMS OF THE
       9    WHITE BINDER, WHAT IS CONTAINED IN IT?
      10    A.  THE WHITE BINDER CONTAINS PORTIONS OF MEDICAL RECORDS
      11    FROM EACH OF THE FIVE PATIENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS
      12    CASE.
      13    Q.  AND WHAT RELEVANCY DO THOSE PORTIONS OF THE MEDICAL
      14    EXHIBITS HAVE IN TERMS OF THE OPINION THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO
      15    RENDER?
      16    A.  THEY ARE RELEVANT BOTH IN TERMS OF THE PRE-EXISTING
      17    MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUFFERED BY THESE PATIENTS
      18    WHICH I'VE TESTIFIED I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT IN FORMING MY
      19    OPINIONS, AND THEY ALSO REFERENCE EVENTS THAT WERE GOING ON
      20    DURING THE HOSPITALIZATIONS AT THE DAVIS HOSPITAL LEADING UP
      21    TO THE DEMISE OF THESE PATIENTS.
      22    Q.  I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PATIENT ELLEN
      23    ANDERSON WHICH IS THE FIRST TAB IN THE BINDER.
      24    A.  OKAY.
      25             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, I HATE TO INTERRUPT AND I


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       1    DO APOLOGIZE TO THE COURT.  I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE
       2    BINDER AND WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT BINDER THAT WE
       3    WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE GET INTO IT TOO FAR.
       4             THE COURT:  OKAY.  THEN YOU GET ANOTHER BREAK AND
       5    THINK OF THIS AS YOUR LAST BREAK FOR THE MORNING AND SO WHY
       6    DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE THE BINDERS AND YOUR NOTE PADS JUST ON
       7    YOUR CHAIRS.
       8         DURING THIS TIME, IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO CONVERSE AMONG
       9    YOURSELVES OR TO CONVERSE WITH OUR ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE
      10    ADDRESSED BY ANY OTHER PERSON ON ANY SUBJECT OF THE TRIAL
      11    AND IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO FORM OR EXPRESS AN OPINION UNTIL
      12    THE CASE IS FINALLY SUBMITTED TO YOU, SO IF YOU WILL TAKE A
      13    BREAK AND THEN WHY DON'T WE HAVE YOU COME BACK AT 11.
      14               (WHEREUPON THE JURY WAS EXCUSED.)
      15             THE COURT:  ALL RIGHT.  PLEASE BE SEATED.  THE
      16    RECORD WILL REFLECT THE JURY HAS LEFT THE COURTROOM.  OKAY,
      17    WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
      18             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, THE PROBLEM IS SOME OF THE
      19    RECORDS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THIS BINDER ARE BEYOND THE
      20    SCOPE OF WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US IN THE DOCTOR'S PROFFER, I
      21    GUESS YOU'D SAY.  IF I HAVE A COPY OF WHAT DR. ROTHFEDER
      22    PROVIDED US, HE SAID ALL THE PATIENTS UNDER THE CARE OF DR.
      23    WEITZEL AT NORTH DAVIS HOSPITAL GEROPSYCH UNIT FROM
      24    DECEMBER 1995 AND JANUARY 1996.  INCLUDED IN THE MEDICAL
      25    RECORDS FOR EACH PATIENT ARE ADMISSIONS AND DISCHARGE


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       1    SUMMARIES, PHYSICIAN'S ORDERS AND PROGRESS NOTES, NURSES'
       2    NOTES, CONSULTATION REPORTS, MEDICATION SUMMARIES AND
       3    MEDICAL DIRECTIVES, MASTER CARE PLANS AN HE GOES ON.
       4    THERE'S NOTHING HERE INDICATING THAT HE WAS OR WAS INTENDING
       5    TO REVIEW ANY OTHER RECORDS OUTSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL.
       6         OUR PROBLEM IS THAT THE ELLEN ANDERSON, I WAS JUST
       7    LOOKING AT THIS, YOUR HONOR, THERE IS MEDICAL RECORDS FROM
       8    DR. WILDING'S OFFICE IN BRIGHAM CITY THAT WERE NOT PART OF
       9    THE RECORDS THAT WERE AT THE DAVIS NORTH HOSPITAL.  IF WE
      10    HAD KNOWN THIS DOCTOR WAS GOING TO TESTIFY TO THESE THINGS,
      11    WE WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL DR. KELLER.
      12    BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LISTED IN HERE IS THE LAST
      13    THING WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHERE THEY HAD GIVEN ELLEN
      14    ANDERSON AN X-RAY AND SAID THERE WAS A POSSIBLE TUMOR ON HER
      15    LUNG.  IF WE HAD KNOWN THAT DR. ROTHFEDER WAS GOING TO BE
      16    TESTIFYING ABOUT THAT AND USING THAT AS PART OF HIS REASON
      17    FOR DETERMINING DEATH, WE WOULD HAVE CALLED DR. KELLER AS
      18    PART OF OUR CASE IN CHIEF AND HAD HIM ACTUALLY CLARIFY WHAT
      19    THAT NOTE MEANS.  WE'RE BASICALLY HERE ON SURPRISE.  BASED
      20    ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAD, WE ASSUMED THE ONLY RECORDS HE
      21    HAS REVIEWED WERE THE RECORDS FROM DAVIS NORTH MEDICAL.
      22             THE COURT:  OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'VE JUST TALKED
      23    ABOUT ELLEN ANDERSON, IS THERE ANY OTHER --
      24             MR. MAJOR:  I HAVE JUST LOOKED THROUGH HERE, YOUR
      25    HONOR, AND APPARENTLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHERS.  IF I


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       1    MIGHT JUST FLIP TO HERE REAL QUICK.  IF THE COURT LOOK UNDER
       2    JUDITH LARSEN I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME THAT ARE MARKED C.H.
       3    WHICH I BELIEVE IS FROM COTTONWOOD HOSPITAL.  THERE'S SOME
       4    MEDICAL RECORDS FROM N.H. IN ENNIS ALLDREDGE'S FILE, AND SO
       5    WE JUST FEEL THAT BASED ON THE COURT'S RULINGS IN THE PAST
       6    ON GOING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE EXPERT HAS PROVIDED,
       7    THAT THIS IS BEYOND THE SCOPE.
       8             THE COURT:  OKAY.  YOUR RESPONSE?
       9             MR. STIRBA:  YES.  I'M NOT SURE WHAT BEYOND THE
      10    SCOPE MEANS IN THIS CONTEXT.  EVERYTHING IN THE BINDER,
      11    JUDGE, IS IN EVIDENCE IN THIS COURTROOM.  IN FACT, MANY OF
      12    THESE VERY SAME DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO WITH RESPECT
      13    TO TREATING PHYSICIANS AND THE STATE'S OWN EXPERTS.  THIS IS
      14    ACTUALLY -- THESE ARE EXHIBITS IN THIS COURTROOM.  I NEVER
      15    UNDERSTOOD THAT THE COURT SAID THAT THE EXPERT HAD TO TELL
      16    COUNSEL EACH AND EVERY DOCUMENT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO
      17    REVIEW, MUCH LESS AN EXHIBIT IN THIS CASE FOR PURPOSES OF
      18    ASSISTING WITH THEIR OPINION.
      19         AND IN FACT, YOU MAY RECALL THAT A NUMBER OF THE
      20    EXPERTS FROM THE STATE TESTIFIED ABOUT EITHER LOOKING AT
      21    HISTORICAL RECORDS OR NOT LOOKING AT HISTORICAL RECORDS.
      22    AND, QUITE FRANKLY, THERE ISN'T REALLY ONE EXPERT THAT HAS,
      23    WITH ANY GREAT DEAL SPECIFICITY, EVER ADDRESSED PRECISELY
      24    WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.  IN FACT, WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY
      25    FROM THE STATE'S EXPERTS ABOUT DOCUMENTS -- AND SEE THIS IS


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       1    THE PROBLEM.
       2         I'M DEALING WITH THE EVIDENCE.  I'M NOT DEALING WITH
       3    COMING IN THE COURTROOM, YOU KNOW, ON THE DAY OF THE -- ON
       4    THE DAY OF THE HEARING AND STICKING THESE THINGS IN FRONT OF
       5    MY FACE, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEIR EXPERTS AND
       6    FEHLAUER COMES IN WITH A GERIATRIC DOSAGE HANDBOOK WHICH
       7    ISN'T IN HIS REPORT, HE NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT IT AND THEY COME
       8    IN WITH THESE DEMONSTRATIVE AIDS AND DO YOU SEE ME GET TOO
       9    EXCITED ABOUT IT?  NO.  AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IS BECAUSE THE
      10    IMPORTANCE IS THE OPINION.  YOU ASSUME THE EXPERTS OBVIOUSLY
      11    ARE GOING TO PERHAPS CONSULT ADDITIONAL SOURCES.  OBVIOUSLY
      12    NOBODY KNEW BACK ON THE 5TH OF MAY PRECISELY WHAT THE
      13    EXHIBIT WERE GOING TO BE IN THIS -- IN THIS TRIAL FOR
      14    PURPOSES OF DIVINING WHAT ALL SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
      15         AND ALL DR. ROTHFEDER IS DOING IS SAYING, OKAY, HERE IS
      16    MY OPINION.  AND BY THE WAY, THE VERY EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN
      17    ADMITTED IN THIS COURTROOM, WHICH IS THE MEDICAL HISTORY,
      18    WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF
      19    UNDERSTANDING THESE PATIENTS, HAS CERTAIN INFORMATION IN IT
      20    WHICH IS PROBATIVE AND RELEVANT TO WHAT I'M GOING TO OPINE.
      21    AND IT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT -- THIS IS QUITE A BIT
      22    DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN HAVING EXPERTS COME IN AND TALK
      23    ABOUT BOOKS AND TALK ABOUT CHARTS AND TALK ABOUT ALL -- ALL
      24    MATTER OF THINGS WHICH WERE NEVER IN THE REPORT, WERE NEVER
      25    REFERENCED IN THE REPORT, WERE NEVER IDENTIFIED IN THE


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       1    REPORT.  AND I EMPHASIZE ONCE AGAIN, DID YOU SEE DEFENSE
       2    COUNSEL GETTING TOO EXCITED ABOUT IT?  NO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
       3    WHAT THE IMPORTANCE IS IS THE OPINION.
       4         AND THE DOCUMENTS -- NO, THERE'S NO EXPERT REPORT, YOUR
       5    HONOR, THAT I'VE EVER SEEN OR I'VE EVER HEARD OF THAT
       6    REQUIRES A SPECIFIC CONCRETE DELINEATION OF EVERY LITTLE
       7    ITEM THAT SOMEBODY HAS LOOKED AT FOR PURPOSES OF RENDERING
       8    OPINION.  THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THE LAW IS PRACTICED.  AND
       9    I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE EXHIBITS.
      10    THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS WHITE BINDER THAT ISN'T IN EVIDENCE
      11    IN THIS COURTROOM.
      12         DR. WILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT RECALL, THAT HAS
      13    COME UP ALREADY BEFORE THE JURY AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES
      14    AND, IN FACT, DR. CROOKSTON TALKED ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HE WAS
      15    OF THE OPINION -- AND THIS WASN'T IN HIS REPORT EITHER,
      16    ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PULMONARY COMPLICATIONS THAT
      17    MS. ANDERSON HAD ON ADMISSION AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHETHER
      18    OR NOT IF THAT PULMONARY COMPLICATION PRE-EXISTED HER
      19    ADMISSION, WOULD THAT BE SIGNIFICANT TO HIM AND HE SAID,
      20    WELL, I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE HISTORY.  BUT WE TALKED ABOUT
      21    DR. WILDING'S RECORDS AND THE FACT THERE WAS AN X-RAY DONE
      22    ON NOVEMBER 18TH OF 1995, WHICH SHOWS SHE HAD PNEUMONIA.
      23    BUT HERE HE IS TESTIFYING ABOUT IT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
      24    THE EVIDENCE AND I'M ENTITLED TO CROSS HIM ON IT AND HE'S
      25    TELLING ME THINGS THAT AREN'T IN HIS REPORT AND, YOU KNOW,


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       1    YOU GO ON.
       2         IT ISN'T A PERFECT WORLD AND THIS CERTAINLY IS NOT
       3    ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN CLAIM -- HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY
       4    CLAIM SURPRISE WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE EXHIBITS WHICH
       5    HAVE BEEN IN EVIDENCE IN THIS COURTROOM PROBABLY FOR THE
       6    LAST TWO WEEKS?  I MEAN -- AND AS FAR AS IF THERE'S A
       7    NECESSITY NOW TO CALL SOMEBODY, THERE IS A REBUTTAL CASE.
       8    AND I ASSUME IN THAT REBUTTAL CASE, IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT
       9    COME UP THAT TRULY NEED SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION, I'M SURE
      10    THOSE WITNESSES WILL BE AVAILABLE.  WE WENT THROUGH THIS
      11    BEFORE WITH WILDING AND AS I UNDERSTOOD, THE ARGUMENT WAS
      12    SURPRISE THEN AND AS I UNDERSTOOD THE COURT BASICALLY SAYING
      13    WILDING IS A TREATING PHYSICIAN OF ELLEN ANDERSON, SHE IS
      14    NAMED ON YOUR WITNESS LIST.  HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY BE
      15    SURPRISED THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN DR. WILDING'S RECORDS ARE
      16    GOING TO SHOW UP IN THIS COURTROOM?
      17         SO IN ANY EVENT, JUDGE, RESPECTFULLY, THIS IS ALL THAT
      18    IS CONTAINED IN HERE IS THE EVIDENCE.  THERE'S NOTHING ELSE,
      19    THERE'S NO SURPRISE.  AND DOCTOR -- IN OTHER WORDS, LOOK AT
      20    THIS WAY, JUDGE, I CERTAINLY THINK I COULD DO THIS:  IF THIS
      21    WHITE BINDER IS A PROBLEM, I COULD ALWAYS ASK HIM -- I COULD
      22    TAKE SOME EVIDENCE RIGHT NOW AND I COULD WALK IT OVER AND WE
      23    COULD SPEND ALL THE HOURS OF HIM GOING THROUGH STUFF AND I
      24    COULD PUT IT ON THE ELMO, AND AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE
      25    PURVIEW OF THE OPINION, I COULD ASK HIM ABOUT IT.  IT'S


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       1    PERFECTLY PROPER.  JUST LIKE HE COULD HAVE SAT BACK THERE IN
       2    THE BACK OF THE COURTROOM AND LISTENED TO ALL THIS TESTIMONY
       3    AND COME IN AND SUMMARIZE IT.  BECAUSE EACH ONE OF OUR
       4    REPORTS SAYS I THINK WHAT APPROPRIATELY IT SHOULD HAVE SAID,
       5    AND THAT IS, AND I THINK THE COURT WILL APPRECIATE THIS,
       6    IT'S NOT OUR CASE IN CHIEF.  WE'RE NOT THE PROPONENT.
       7         IT'S MUCH EASIER TO PREPARE AN EXPERT REPORT AS A
       8    PROPONENT.  THE DEFENSE OBVIOUSLY HAS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT
       9    OUR GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY, BUT GUESS WHAT?  THINGS ARE GOING
      10    TO HAPPEN IN THE TRIAL, THINGS MAY COME UP WITH THE
      11    PROSECUTION WITNESSES WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO REACT TO.
      12    THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD POSSIBLY ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING.
      13    AND, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS ISN'T REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN
      14    WHAT WE PUT IN OUR REPORT OTHER THAN WE HAVE NOW ENCOMPASSED
      15    THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE IN THIS TRIAL, WHICH WE COULD NOT HAVE
      16    KNOWN ON THE 5TH, TO ASSIST THE JURY AND TO ASSIST
      17    DR. ROTHFEDER FOR PURPOSES OF WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY.  SO I
      18    WOULD SUBMIT IT, YOUR HONOR.
      19             THE COURT:  OKAY.
      20             MR. MAJOR:  QUICKLY A RESPONSE, YOUR HONOR.  I
      21    BELIEVE IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING, AND MAY BE -- I MAY BE
      22    MISTAKEN ON THIS.  BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THESE DOCUMENTS
      23    WERE OBTAINED AFTER WE RECEIVED THE EXPERT REPORT AND MAYBE
      24    I'M MISTAKEN ON THAT, BUT I -- WE MADE SIMILAR ARGUMENTS AND
      25    I GUESS WE COULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT MR. STIRBA IS MAKING


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       1    ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH NURSE CALVERT.  THIS COURT
       2    WOULD NOT ALLOW HER TO TESTIFY AS AN EXPERT OPINION BECAUSE
       3    HER TESTIMONY AS TO WHAT WAS ON THE CHART WENT BEYOND WHAT
       4    WAS TOLD ON HER REPORT.  EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAD ON THAT
       5    CHART THAT SHE WAS GOING TO TESTIFY TO HAD BEEN ADMITTED
       6    INTO EVIDENCE, IT FOLLOWED THE EXACT SAME LINE --
       7             THE COURT:  NO.  BUT WHAT SHE WAS -- YOU KNOW, I
       8    GUESS THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
       9    IF YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT, MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO ME AND
      10    DON'T MAKE IT TO THE PRESS.  I MEAN, WHAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS
      11    SAYING IS THAT, GEE, JUDGE, YOU'VE DONE IT THIS WAY AND THEN
      12    YOU ARE NOT DOING IT THAT WAY.  I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW
      13    WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
      14         EARLIER IN THIS CASE ON EXPERT REPORTS I SAID IF THEY
      15    ARE GOING TO TESTIFY ABOUT AN OPINION THAT IS NOT IN THEIR
      16    REPORT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  AND IF THIS INDIVIDUAL
      17    EXPERT WITNESS OR ANY OTHER DEFENDANT'S EXPERT WITNESS IS
      18    GOING TO TESTIFY ABOUT AN OPINION THAT ISN'T IN THEIR
      19    REPORT, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.  NOW YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOT
      20    THAT IT'S OPINION.  YOUR ARGUMENT IS HE SAYS HE REVIEWED
      21    THESE DOCUMENTS AND NOW HE'S GOT OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE
      22    ALL IN EVIDENCE AND THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
      23             MR. MAJOR:  NO.  WHAT I'M ARGUING, YOUR HONOR, IS
      24    THAT HIS OPINION THAT WE RECEIVED IN HIS REPORT ONLY WAS
      25    BASED ON THE MEDICAL RECORDS FROM THE DAVIS NORTH HOSPITAL.


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       1    HE IS NOW COMING INTO THIS COURT BASING HIS OPINION ON
       2    OUTSIDE RECORDS THAT WERE NOT LISTED IN HIS REPORT AND IS
       3    NOT THE SAME -- THIS WOULD NOT BE THE SAME REPORT BECAUSE
       4    HE'S BASED HIS REPORT NOW ON OUTSIDE RECORDS THAT WERE NOT
       5    CONSIDERED AT THE TIME HE GAVE THIS REPORT.  SO THIS IS NOT
       6    AN ACCURATE REPORT IF YOU ALLOW THAT OTHER INFORMATION IN.
       7             THE COURT:  WELL, I SEE THE THINGS BEING TWO
       8    TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.  ONE IS, IS THERE A DIFFERENT
       9    OPINION?  AND WITH NURSE KAUFMAN -- YOUR EXAMPLE, AS NURSE
      10    KAUFMAN STATED ON HER CHART THAT'S AT THE ON THE BOTTOM OF
      11    ALL OF THOSE 20 TO 32, IT WAS THAT SHE HAD GONE THROUGH THE
      12    RECORDS, THEN MADE AN INTERPRETATION OF A LETHARGY TO
      13    AGITATION STAGE FROM A ONE TO A THREE AND HAD MADE THAT.
      14    THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT THAT -- AND THEN SHE WAS GOING TO
      15    GIVE THAT AS HER OPINION.  IT WASN'T THAT SHE HAD REVIEWED
      16    THE RECORDS THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.  IT WAS THAT THAT ISSUE
      17    WASN'T IN THE OPINION RECORD -- I MEAN, THE OPINION REPORT
      18    THAT YOU HAD GOTTEN BEFORE TRIAL.
      19         THIS WITNESS IN WHAT YOU HAVE READ, WHAT YOU ARE
      20    TELLING ME IS THAT HE SAID HE'S DONE THIS.  AND DURING YOUR
      21    ARGUMENT, I LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THE EXPERT REPORTS THAT
      22    HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO ME EARLIER AND MOST PEOPLE SAY, I'VE
      23    LOOKED AT THE RECORDS ON THESE PEOPLE, I'VE REVIEWED THE
      24    MEDICAL RECORDS OR SOME OF THEM SAYS I'VE REVIEWED THE
      25    RECORDS AT THE HOSPITAL, YOUR EXPERTS, AND THEN THEY CAME IN


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       1    AND THEY TESTIFIED ABOUT THINGS BEYOND THAT.  ARE YOU SAYING
       2    THAT WHAT MR. STIRBA JUST SAID, DON'T GIVE THEM THE WHITE
       3    BINDER BUT THEN GIVE IT TO HIM HERE AT TESTIMONY AND HE
       4    CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT?
       5             MR. MAJOR:  AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN BUT I UNDERSTOOD
       6    THE TESTIMONY FROM OUR EXPERT WITNESSES WAS BASED ON -- AS
       7    FAR AS THE MEDICAL RECORDS, WAS BASED ON CROSS-EXAMINATION.
       8    IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE OURSELVES HAD SUBMITTED TO THE
       9    DOCTOR, BUT I MAY BE MISTAKEN ON THAT, YOUR HONOR.  BUT WE
      10    WOULD SUBMIT IT.
      11             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WELL, ON THE BASIS OF THE ISSUE
      12    OF WHETHER THIS IS BEYOND HIS OPINION AND THE EXPERT REPORT
      13    AND HOW I'VE PREVIOUSLY RULED, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE HAS
      14    REVIEWED, IF HE HAS REVIEWED THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE
      15    RECORD AND IS NOT PART OF THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, I WOULD
      16    NOT ALLOW THAT.  BUT WHAT HE HAS REVIEWED IS DOCUMENTS THAT
      17    ARE IN EVIDENCE AND HE IS NOT -- IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT
      18    OPINION, IT'S WHAT HE'S REVIEWED, AND ON THE BASIS OF THAT,
      19    HE CAN TESTIFY ABOUT IT.  HOW IS OUR COURT REPORTER DOING ON
      20    FINGERS?  OKAY.  LET'S TAKE A TEN-MINUTE BREAK.  WE'LL JUST
      21    TELL THE JURY IT WILL BE ABOUT TEN MINUTES.
      22                  (A BRIEF RECESS WAS TAKEN.)
      23             THE COURT:  PLEASE BE SEATED.  THE RECORD WILL
      24    REFLECT THAT THE JURY IS BACK.  MR. STIRBA, IF YOU WOULD
      25    LIKE TO CONTINUE.


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       1             MR. STIRBA:  THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
       2    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  DOCTOR, DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO
       3    THE BINDERS IN FRONT OF YOU, SPECIFICALLY PATIENT ELLEN
       4    ANDERSON --
       5             THE COURT:  PARDON ME.  IF I COULD JUST -- THE JURY
       6    HAS JUST ASKED A QUESTION THAT WHEN THE PROJECTOR IS NOT ON
       7    THAT THOSE LIGHTS BE TURNED OFF.  I GUESS IT'S GIVING A
       8    GLARE AND SOME THINGS.  OKAY.  DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF IT?
       9    ALL RIGHT.  THANKS.
      10    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  DOCTOR, WE WERE -- YOU HAVE THE
      11    BINDERS IN FRONT OF YOU --
      12    A.  I DO.
      13    Q.  -- CONCERNING THE PATIENT ELLEN ANDERSON?  DO YOU HAVE
      14    AN OPINION AS TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH OF ELLEN ANDERSON?
      15    A.  I DO.
      16    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
      17    A.  I BELIEVE THAT MRS. ANDERSON DIED OF PNEUMONIA WHICH HAD
      18    BEEN PRESENT FOR SOME TIME SUPERIMPOSED ON OLD AGE AND A
      19    CARDIAC CONDITION.
      20    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT MORPHINE
      21    CAUSED OR CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH?
      22    A.  I DO.
      23    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT OPINION?
      24    A.  I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MORPHINE EITHER CAUSED OR
      25    CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH.


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       1    Q.  NOW IF YOU GO INTO THE WHITE BINDER, THERE ARE SOME
       2    DOCUMENTS FROM THE EVIDENCE RELATING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
       3    PATIENT ELLEN ANDERSON.  AND SPECIFICALLY IF YOU COULD LOOK
       4    AT THE FIRST PAGE WHICH IS A PROGRESS NOTE MED-172, DO YOU
       5    HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU?
       6    A.  I DO.
       7    Q.  AND IT SAYS, 12/30/95 DR. WEITZEL WRITES IN THE SECOND
       8    PARAGRAPH, HE PUTS A: PROBABLE M.I., RECOMMEND AUTOPSY.  P:
       9    WILL RELEASE TO FAMILY.  DID THAT RECORD HAVE ANY
      10    SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION AS TO HER
      11    CAUSE OF DEATH?
      12    A.  IT DID.
      13    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHAT SIGNIFICANCE IT HAD.
      14    A.  IT APPEARS TO ME THAT DR. WEITZEL IN THIS RECORD IS
      15    OPINING ON WHAT MIGHT HAVE CAUSED HER DEATH.  I RECALL THAT
      16    THIS PATIENT DIED VERY SHORTLY AFTER SHE WAS ADMITTED TO THE
      17    HOSPITAL.  AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S CONSIDERING --
      18    WHAT HE'S CONSIDERING AS PROBABLE IS AN M.I.  AN M.I. MEANS
      19    MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION AND MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION IS A
      20    TECHNICAL TERM FOR AN ACUTE HEART ATTACK.
      21         HE REFERENCES THAT THE ELECTROCARDIOGRAM THAT WAS
      22    PERFORMED ON ADMISSION WAS ABNORMAL AND, IN FACT, I REVIEWED
      23    THAT ELECTROCARDIOGRAM AND IT WAS ABNORMAL.  IT SHOWED
      24    RHYTHM ABNORMALITIES, RAPID HEART RATE, IRREGULARITY OF THE
      25    RHYTHM AND WHAT WE CALL T-WAVE CHANGES.


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       1    Q.  AND PERHAPS IF I COULD STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.  IF YOU
       2    FLIP IN THAT BINDER, IF YOU FLIP ABOUT FOUR PAGES AFTER THE
       3    INITIAL PROGRESS NOTE, YOU DO HAVE THE REPORT OF THE E.K.G.;
       4    IS THAT RIGHT?
       5    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
       6    Q.  AND THAT WOULD BE NUMBER 173?
       7    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
       8    Q.  AND TELL US HOW YOU INTERPRET THAT REPORT.
       9    A.  I INTERPRET THE REPORT CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTUAL
      10    WRITTEN INTERPRETATION ON THE REPORT BY THE -- IT LOOKS LIKE
      11    DR. BURTENSHAW AND THERE'S A SINUS TACHYCARDIA.
      12    Q.  WHAT IS THAT?
      13    A.  THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S A RAPID HEART RATE WELL ABOVE
      14    NORMAL.  THE HEART RATE IS 107.  A NORMAL HEART RATE WOULD
      15    TYPICALLY BE IN THE 70'S AND SO THAT THE NORMAL PACEMAKER OF
      16    THE HEART IS RACING IN RESPONSE TO SOME KIND OF MEDICAL
      17    PROBLEM AND THERE'S A MARKED SINUS ARRHYTHMIA.
      18    Q.  WHAT IS THAT?
      19    A.  WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE ACTUAL RHYTHM IS NOT
      20    REGULAR, IT'S IRREGULAR.  SO SOMETHING IS IRRITATING THE
      21    PACEMAKER TO CAUSE THE RAPID RATE AND THE IRREGULAR RATE.
      22    Q.  IT ALSO SAYS THAT THERE'S A NONSPECIFIC O T-WAVE
      23    ABNORMALITY, WHAT IS THAT?
      24    A.  THERE'S NON -- IT ACTUALLY SAYS NONSPECIFIC T-WAVE
      25    ABNORMALITY AND THAT C -- THAT'S A C AT THE END OF


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       1    NONSPECIFIC.
       2    Q.  THANK YOU.
       3    A.  THE T-WAVE IN THE ELECTROCARDIOGRAM REPRESENTS
       4    REPOLARIZATION OF THE VENTRICLE, THE BIG MUSCULAR PART OF
       5    THE HEART.  ELECTRICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE HEART -- FOR
       6    EACH BEAT, THE HEART DISCHARGES ELECTRICALLY AND THEN KIND
       7    OF RECHARGES AND DURING THE RECHARGING PROCESS SOMETHING IS
       8    WRONG BECAUSE THE MORPHOLOGY, THE FORM OF THE T-WAVE IS
       9    ABNORMAL.  SO THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE
      10    REPOLARIZATION OF THE CONDUCTING SYSTEM.
      11         AND OF INTEREST AS WELL IS THERE'S LOW VOLTAGE Q.R.S.
      12    THE Q.R.S. REFERS TO THE PORTION OF THE TRACING WHERE THE
      13    VENTRICLE, AGAIN THE BIG MUSCULAR PUMP, DISCHARGES.  AND
      14    NORMALLY THERE'S -- NORMALLY THE AMPLITUDE, THE SIZE OF THE
      15    Q.R.S. WAVE, IS OF A CERTAIN SIZE.  IN THIS CASE THEY ARE
      16    LITTLE TINY Q.R.S.'S AND IT'S KIND OF -- THE ANALOGY WOULD
      17    KIND OF BE LIKE A BATTERY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF ITS
      18    JUICE.  FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE VENTRICLE ELECTRICALLY
      19    DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE JUICE IT SHOULD HAVE AND THERE'S --
      20    THIS IS REFLECTED BY LOW VOLTAGE.
      21    Q.  IS THIS FINDING IN THIS E.K.G. THAT WAS DONE ON PATIENT
      22    ANDERSON CONSISTENT WITH A CARDIAC DYSFUNCTION?
      23    A.  IT IS.  IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE HEART NOT OPERATING
      24    NORMALLY ELECTRICALLY.
      25    Q.  NOW, I WANT TO TURN NEXT TO THERE'S SOME NURSES' NOTES


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       1    190 AND 191 AND I WANT TO SKIP OVER THEM FOR THE TIME BEING
       2    AND TURN TO 174.  AND THAT IS A REPORT DONE OF A CHEST
       3    X-RAY; IS THAT RIGHT?
       4    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
       5    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHAT SIGNIFICANCE IF ANY THAT HAS
       6    TO YOUR OPINION THAT PATIENT ANDERSON DIED AS A RESULT OF
       7    PNEUMONIA.
       8    A.  THIS WAS -- THE CHEST X-RAY DATED 12/30/95, THIS WAS
       9    MRS. ANDERSON'S ADMISSION CHEST X-RAY AND IT'S ABNORMAL.
      10    THERE IS CONSOLIDATION AND AN INFILTRATIVE PROCESS IN THE
      11    BASES OF BOTH LUNGS.  AND THE REPORT STATES THAT THIS
      12    CONSOLIDATIVE DENSITY IS SUGGESTIVE OF A BILATERAL
      13    INFILTRATE PROCESS SUCH AS PNEUMONITIS PNEUMONIA VERSUS
      14    PULMONARY EDEMA, WHICH IS FLUID IN THE LUNGS FROM HEART
      15    FAILURE OR BLEEDING.
      16         NOW, UNDERSTAND WHEN ONE LOOKS AT A CHEST X-RAY AND ONE
      17    SEES A SHADOW, IN OTHER WORDS, NORMALLY THE LUNG IS FULL OF
      18    AIR, IT DOESN'T HAVE FLUID IN IT.  WHEN ONE SEES A SHADOW ON
      19    THE LUNG, THAT REPRESENTS FLUID IN THAT PORTION OF THE LUNG
      20    RATHER THAN THE AIR THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
      21         USUALLY, IN MOST CASES, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING LOOKING
      22    AT A CHEST X-RAY, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO TELL DEFINITIVELY
      23    FROM LOOKING AT THE FILM WHETHER THAT FLUID, THAT INFILTRATE
      24    REPRESENTS INFECTION, IN OTHER WORDS, PUSS, FLUID FROM
      25    INFECTION FROM PNEUMONIA OR WHETHER IT REPRESENTS FLUID SUCH


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       1    THAT WE CALL PULMONARY EDEMA WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY BLOOD
       2    TYPE FLUID BACKING UP FROM A CONGESTIVE HEART, OR FOR THAT
       3    MATTER, WHETHER IT REPRESENTS A TUMOR OR SOMETHING ELSE.
       4    ALL YOU KNOW IS THERE'S FLUID RATHER THAN AIR IN THE LUNG
       5    THAT'S ABNORMAL AND IT REQUIRES CLINICAL CORRELATION, OR IN
       6    THIS CASE AN AUTOPSY TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT FLUID THAT YOU
       7    ARE SEEING ON THIS TWO-DIMENSIONAL CHEST X-RAY ACTUALLY
       8    REPRESENTED.
       9    Q.  DO YOU RECALL IN TERMS OF YOUR REVIEW OF THE AUTOPSY
      10    REPORT, DID THAT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP TO THE OPINION THAT
      11    YOU HAVE EXPRESSED?
      12    A.  WELL, IT DID.  THE AUTOPSY SHOWED THAT AN AREA OF THIS
      13    FLUID IN THE LUNG, IN THE LEFT LUNG BASE WAS, IN FACT,
      14    PNEUMONIA.  SO IN RETROSPECT, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS
      15    PNEUMONIA THERE, ONE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS X-RAY AND
      16    SAY, WELL, THE FLUID THAT -- THE FLUID THAT WAS SEEN, THE
      17    INFILTRATE, THE DENSITY THAT WAS SEEN IN THAT AREA WAS, IN
      18    FACT, PNEUMONIA, INFECTION.
      19    Q.  NOW IF YOU WOULD TURN PAST THE E.K.G. REPORT, PAST --
      20    THERE'S A MEDICATION ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD, YOU'LL COME
      21    TO -- IT HAS AT THE BOTTOM WILD-2.
      22    A.  I SEE IT.
      23    Q.  AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THIS IS?
      24    A.  YES.  THIS IS -- THIS IS A PHYSICIAN NOTE, A PROGRESS
      25    NOTE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, SIGNED BY A PHYSICIAN


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       1    AND I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY DR. KELLER, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN
       2    WHO SIGNED THIS.  AND THIS WAS DATED NOVEMBER 18TH, '95,
       3    MAYBE FIVE, SIX WEEKS PRIOR TO THE HOSPITAL ADMISSION.  AT
       4    WHICH TIME MRS. ANDERSON WAS IN THE BOX ELDY COUNTER -- BOX
       5    ELDER COUNTY PIONEER MEMORIAL NURSING HOME AND THIS IS -- SO
       6    THIS IS A DOCTOR'S NOTE EVIDENCING HER CONDITION AT THE TIME
       7    THAT THE DOCTOR WAS SEEING HER IN THE NURSING HOME.
       8    Q.  AND I NOTICE UNDER DOCTOR'S OBSERVATION AND NEW FINDINGS
       9    TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE'S A STATEMENT RELATING TO AN X-RAY
      10    AND THEN AN ARROW IT SAYS, POSSIBLE LUNG TUMOR.
      11    A.  RIGHT.
      12    Q.  WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DOES THAT HAVE?
      13    A.  WELL, THE DOCTOR APPARENTLY HAD LOOKED AT AN X-RAY IN
      14    WHICH THERE WAS A DENSITY, AN INFILTRATE.  WHEN DR. KELLER
      15    LOOKED AT THAT, ONE OF HIS CONCERNS WAS THAT MAYBE THIS WAS
      16    A TUMOR.  AS I HAD SUGGESTED BEFORE, LOOKING AT THE FILM,
      17    SUCH AN INFILTRATE COULD BE TUMOR OR PNEUMONIA OR HEART
      18    FAILURE SO HIS CONCERN AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS, HEY, MAYBE
      19    THIS IS A LUNG TUMOR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.  AND, IN FACT,
      20    THE DISPOSITION IN HIS MIND TO FIND OUT WAS, HE'S GOING TO
      21    CHECK ON THE REPORT FROM THE RADIOLOGIST TO SEE WHAT THE
      22    RADIOLOGIST HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT, WHAT HE THINKS IT IS BASED
      23    UPON THE X-RAY APPEARANCE.
      24    Q.  NOW, IF YOU TURN ACTUALLY ANOTHER PAGE TO WILD-27?  IT
      25    WOULD NOT -- NOT THE NEXT PAGE BUT THE PAGE AFTER THAT.


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       1    A.  YES, I SEE THAT.
       2    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT?
       3    A.  THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO THINGS ON THE PAGE.  THERE'S AN
       4    X-RAY REPORT OF THIS X-RAY THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT
       5    DATED 11/18/95.  BELOW THAT THERE'S...IT LOOKS LIKE A
       6    URINALYSIS RESULT.  DO YOU WANT ME TO COMMENT UPON THE X-RAY
       7    REPORT?
       8    Q.  YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU ABOUT.
       9    A.  ALL RIGHT.  THE RADIOLOGIST WHO READ THIS NOTED THAT
      10    THERE IS INCREASING ATELECTASIS AND/OR PNEUMONIA IN BOTH
      11    LUNG BASES AND HIS IMPRESSION WAS BIBASILAR ATELECTASIS
      12    AND/OR PNEUMONIA, RIGHT GREATER THAN LEFT.  AND SO BASICALLY
      13    WHAT THE RADIOLOGIST HERE IS SAYING IS I GUESS INFERENTIALLY
      14    HE'S NOT REALLY CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS A TUMOR BUT IS
      15    SAYING THAT THIS IS EITHER ATELECTASIS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY
      16    COLLAPSE OF SEGMENTS, OR PNEUMONIA OR BOTH.
      17    Q.  AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DOES THIS FINDING HAVE, IF ANY,
      18    CONCERNING YOUR OPINION THAT THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS
      19    PNEUMONIA?
      20    A.  WELL, I THINK THAT THIS INDICATES THAT -- LET'S WORK
      21    BACKWARDS.  WE KNOW AT AUTOPSY THAT THE PATIENT HAD
      22    PNEUMONIA.  WE NOW KNOW THAT THE X-RAY THAT WAS TAKEN ON
      23    ADMISSION JUST SHORTLY PRIOR TO HER DEATH ON DECEMBER 30TH
      24    CONTAINED AN INFILTRATE THAT IN RETROSPECT WAS PNEUMONIA.
      25    AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY APPEAR TO ME AT LEAST THAT THE


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       1    INFILTRATE SEEN SIX WEEKS PRIOR ON NOVEMBER 18TH, '95 WAS
       2    PNEUMONIA AS WELL.  SO MY IMPRESSION WOULD BE THAT THERE WAS
       3    PNEUMONIA INFECTION SMOULDERING IN THAT LUNG WHICH
       4    ESSENTIALLY WAS UNTREATED FROM AT LEAST NOVEMBER 18TH, '95
       5    AND PROBABLY EARLIER UNTIL THE PATIENT DIED.
       6    Q.  NOW, I NOTICE ON THIS REPORT THERE'S ALSO A FINDING THAT
       7    THE AORTA IS VERY TORTUOUS.  WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
       8    A.  THE AORTA IS TORTUOUS.
       9    Q.  TORTUOUS, I'M SORRY.
      10    A.  WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE NORMAL AORTA, THE AORTA BEING THE
      11    BIG ARTERY THAT COMES OUT OF THE HEART AND BRANCHES TO
      12    SUPPLY BLOOD TO THE ENTIRE BODY, THE NORMAL AORTA IS IT
      13    LOOPS UP AND THEN DOWN --
      14             MR. MAJOR:  YOUR HONOR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO
      15    OBJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  I THINK THIS IS BEYOND HIS
      16    QUALIFICATIONS.  HE'S TALKING ABOUT CARDIAC, HEART ATTACK, I
      17    DON'T THINK HE'S QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY TO THAT.
      18             THE COURT:  WELL, THE QUESTION WAS WHAT DOES THE
      19    WORD MEAN.
      20             MR. STIRBA:  YEAH, MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS
      21    FINDING.
      22             THE WITNESS:  WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT RATHER THAN
      23    GOING UP AND DOWN IN A NORMAL RELATIVELY STRAIGHT FASHION,
      24    THE AORTA FORMS A MUCH GREATER CURVE.  AND WHAT THAT
      25    INDICATES IS THAT THERE'S DISEASE IN THAT AORTA, THERE'S


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       1    ARTERIOLOSCLEROSIS IN IT.  IF THERE WASN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE
       2    TORTUOUS.
       3    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  NOW, IF YOU TURN BACK TO THE X-RAY
       4    WHICH IS MED-174 REPORT DONE AT THE HOSPITAL A FEW PAGES
       5    BACK.
       6    A.  OKAY.  I HAVE IT.
       7    Q.  UNDER IMPRESSION AFTER IT TALKS ABOUT THE PNEUMONITIS,
       8    IT SAYS, HEART APPEARS ENLARGED WITH AORTA TORTUOUS AND
       9    CALCIFIED.  IS THAT A CONSISTENT FINDING WITH THE PREVIOUS
      10    X-RAY?
      11    A.  IT IS.  I DON'T BELIEVE THEY MENTIONED CALCIFICATION IN
      12    THE OTHER BUT IT'S EASY TO SEE WHEN IT'S PRESENT.  AND WHAT
      13    HAPPENS IS WHEN THERE'S DISEASE IN THE ARTERY, CALCIUM FORMS
      14    IN THE LINING WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON X-RAY.  ADDITIONALLY, THE
      15    HEART IS ENLARGED WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S FAILING TO SOME
      16    DEGREE, THERE'S A DEGREE OF PUMP FAILURE GOING ON.
      17    Q.  NOW, ARE THOSE TWO X-RAY FINDINGS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR
      18    OPINION?
      19    A.  YES.
      20    Q.  AND HOW SO?
      21    A.  WELL, MY OPINION WAS THAT MRS. ANDERSON DIED FROM
      22    PNEUMONIA SUPERIMPOSED ON OTHER MEDICAL PROBLEMS.  ONE OF --
      23    PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH WAS CARDIOVASCULAR
      24    DISEASE.  AND THIS IS EVIDENCE, MORE EVIDENCE THAT HER HEART
      25    WAS ABNORMAL, NOT ONLY ELECTRICALLY AS SEEN IN THE


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       1    CARDIOGRAM BUT IN TERMS OF PUMP FUNCTION AS EVIDENCED BY THE
       2    ENLARGEMENT.  AND ADDITIONALLY, SHE HAD BLOOD VESSEL
       3    DISEASE, HER AORTA WAS DISEASED AND CALCIFIED.  AND SO
       4    WE'VE -- YOU'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE OF THE HEART AND
       5    LUNGS AND THAT'S BAD.
       6    Q.  IF YOU'LL TURN A FEW PAGES PAST THE DR. KELLER NOTE THAT
       7    WE -- WHICH IS WILD-2.
       8    A.  OKAY.
       9    Q.  AND AFTER THAT THERE'S SOME TYPEWRITTEN NOTES, IT SAYS
      10    WILD-4 AT THE BOTTOM.
      11    A.  YES.
      12    Q.  AND IF YOU LOOK AT 11/15/95 THERE IS "A".  WHAT DOES
      13    THAT "A" STAND FOR?  IT SAYS O AND THERE'S --
      14    A.  YEAH.  "A" STANDS FOR ASSESSMENT, I THINK.
      15    Q.  WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
      16    A.  THAT MEANS WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, HOW YOU PUT IT
      17    ALTOGETHER BASED UPON THE FINDINGS.
      18    Q.  AND IT STATES THERE PATIENT WITH DEPENDANT EDEMA/MILD
      19    CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE/COUGH.  DOES THAT FINDING BY
      20    DOCTOR -- IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER THAT WAS -- WELL, YEAH --
      21    A.  DR. WILDING.
      22    Q.  -- D.W., THERE'S THE INITIALS THERE BY DR. WILDING --
      23    SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION?
      24    A.  IT IS.
      25    Q.  AND HOW SO?


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       1    A.  IT'S FURTHER EVIDENCE CLINICALLY THAT THIS PATIENT IS
       2    SUFFERING FROM HEART FAILURE.  WHEN THE PUMP FAILS AND
       3    STARTS TO BACK UP, FLUID ACCUMULATES IN THE LUNG AS I
       4    DESCRIBED THAT WE CALL PULMONARY EDEMA, BUT IT ALSO
       5    ACCUMULATES IN THE TISSUES BECAUSE OF FAILURE OF THE RIGHT
       6    VENTRICLE AS WELL, BACKING UP FROM THE RIGHT VENTRICLE.  AND
       7    WHAT IS SEEN THERE WHEN THE -- WHEN THINGS BACK UP THROUGH
       8    THE VENOUS SYSTEM, THE VEINS, IS DEPENDENT EDEMA.
       9         DEPENDENT MEANS WHATEVER PORTION IS DOWN SUBJECT TO
      10    GRAVITY.  TYPICALLY IN AMBULATORY PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE
      11    THE FEET AND ANKLES.  IN SOMEBODY WHO IS BEDRIDDEN, THAT MAY
      12    BE IN THEIR BACK AS THEY ARE LYING DOWN.  BUT THIS PATIENT
      13    HAD DEPENDENT EDEMA WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S FAILURE OF THE
      14    RIGHT SIDE OF THE HEART.
      15         ADDITIONALLY, SHE HAS COUGH WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT
      16    WITH PULMONARY EDEMA OR CONSISTENT WITH PNEUMONIA FOR THAT
      17    MATTER.  SHE STARTED ON -- AND THE DOCTOR GOES AHEAD AND
      18    TREATS HER FOR CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE, FOR PUMP FAILURE.
      19    Q.  WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?
      20    A.  WELL, BECAUSE HE STARTS HER ON LASIX WHICH IS A POTENT
      21    DIURETIC, PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON DRUG USED TO TREAT HEART
      22    FAILURE.  SO HE'S STARTING HER ON LASIX TO TRY TO GET RID OF
      23    SOME OF THIS FLUID THAT'S ACCUMULATING.  HE'S ALSO GIVING
      24    HER POTASSIUM BECAUSE LASIX LIKE MANY OTHER DRUGS IS NOT
      25    WITHOUT RISK.  ONE OF THE RISKS IS POTASSIUM DEPLETION WHICH


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       1    THEN CAUSES CARDIAC IRRITABILITY WHICH CAUSES RHYTHM
       2    DISTURBANCES WHICH CAN CAUSE DEATH AND IT'S NECESSARY TO
       3    REPLACE THE POTASSIUM WHICH IS GOING TO BE DEPLETED BY THE
       4    LASIX AND THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD TREATMENT OF CONGESTIVE
       5    HEART FAILURE.  THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO IN THE E.R. OR
       6    ANYBODY ELSE WOULD DO FOR THIS CONDITION.
       7    Q.  IS CHEST PAIN A SYMPTOM OF CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE OR
       8    CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE?
       9    A.  YES.
      10    Q.  AND JUST BRIEFLY, WHY DOES ONE EXPERIENCE CHEST PAIN IF
      11    ONE HAS CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE?
      12    A.  THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS.  WHEN SOMEONE HAS
      13    CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE, THE HEART DOES NOT DELIVER NORMAL
      14    AMOUNT -- BECAUSE OF THE PUMP FAILURE, THE HEART DOESN'T
      15    DELIVER NORMAL AMOUNTS OF BLOOD AND OXYGEN TO THE VARIOUS
      16    ORGANS IN THE BODY, ONE OF WHICH IS THE HEART ITSELF.  THE
      17    HEART SUPPLIES ITSELF WITH BLOOD AND OXYGEN.  IF THERE'S
      18    PUMP FAILURE, CARDIAC FAILURE, THEN THE HEART ITSELF WON'T
      19    GET ENOUGH BLOOD AND THAT WILL CAUSE CHEST PAIN, IT'S CALLED
      20    ANGINA.  ADDITIONALLY, WHEN THERE'S CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE
      21    THERE'S DILATATION, ENLARGEMENT OF THE HEART AND THE BLOOD
      22    VESSELS AND THAT ITSELF CAN CAUSE PAIN.  SO CHEST PAIN IS A
      23    COMMON FINDING.
      24    Q.  IF YOU'LL TURN A COUPLE OF PAGES THEN TO A DOCUMENT.
      25    IT'S PHYSICIAN ORDERS.


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       1    A.  I SEE IT.
       2    Q.  AND YOU'LL SEE DOWN UNDER 11/18/95 IT APPEARS THERE WAS
       3    AN ORDER FOR NITROSTAT TO BE REPEATED EVERY FIVE MINUTES,
       4    TWO TO THREE -- MAYBE IT'S TWO, I CAN'T READ IT -- TO THREE
       5    TIMES FOR CHEST PAIN.  DO YOU KNOW WHAT NITROSTAT IS?
       6    A.  I DO.
       7    Q.  AND WHAT IS NITROSTAT?
       8    A.  NITROSTAT IS ONE OF THE NITROGLYCERIN PREPARATIONS AND
       9    IT'S SPECIFICALLY USED TO TREAT CHEST PAIN THAT'S DUE TO
      10    CORONARY INSUFFICIENCY, TO NOT GETTING ENOUGH BLOOD TO THE
      11    HEART ITSELF.  SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THE PHYSICIAN WHO
      12    ORDERED THE NITROSTAT BELIEVED THAT THE PATIENT'S CHEST PAIN
      13    WAS FROM INADEQUATE BLOOD SUPPLY BACK TO THE HEART ITSELF
      14    AND HE'S TREATING HER FOR THAT, FOR CARDIAC CHEST PAIN.
      15    Q.  IF YOU COULD NOW PLEASE, DOCTOR, TURN TO THE NEXT
      16    SECTION OF THE BINDER WHICH IS PATIENT MARY CRANE.  DO YOU
      17    HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU?
      18    A.  I DO.
      19    Q.  COULD YOU TELL US PLEASE, DOCTOR, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION
      20    AS TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH OF MARY CRANE?
      21    A.  I DO.
      22    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
      23    A.  I BELIEVE THAT MRS. CRANE DIED OF INFECTION WHICH LED TO
      24    A CONDITION THAT WE CALL SEPSIS WHICH WAS -- FOR WHICH SHE
      25    WAS PREDISPOSED BASED UPON NUMEROUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS AND


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       1    WHICH SUPERIMPOSED ON THOSE MEDICAL CONDITIONS LED TO HER
       2    DEMISE.
       3    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER MORPHINE CAUSED OR
       4    CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH?
       5    A.  I DO.
       6    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
       7    A.  MY OPINION IS THAT MORPHINE NEITHER CAUSED NOR
       8    CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH.
       9    Q.  TELL US WHY YOU SAY THAT.
      10    A.  THIS LADY WAS VERY, VERY ILL IN THE HOSPITAL.  HER
      11    CONDITION WAS SUCH THAT WHEN SHE BECAME SEPTIC HER DEMISE
      12    WAS IMMINENT AND SHE WAS PERHAPS THE MOST ACUTELY ILL OF THE
      13    PATIENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED HERE.  SEPSIS IS A LETHAL
      14    CONDITION AND UNLESS SHE WERE TREATED EXTREMELY VIGOROUSLY
      15    AND AGGRESSIVELY, SHE WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE OF SURVIVING EVEN
      16    WITH AGGRESSIVE TREATMENT.  IN MY OPINION, THE ODDS OF HER
      17    SURVIVING THIS EPISODE WERE VERY POOR.
      18    Q.  NOW, THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS SECTION IT'S A REPORT OF
      19    CONSULTATION AT THE BOTTOM 236 AND THERE ARE SOME
      20    IMPRESSIONS IDENTIFIED THERE.  I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR
      21    ATTENTION TO NUMBER SEVEN WHICH SAYS, HISTORY, RIGHT
      22    CEREBRAL VASCULAR ACCIDENT, RIGHT THALAMIC REGION, 11/90
      23    WITH RESIDUAL LEFT HEMIPARALYSIS.  GENERALLY, WHAT IS THAT
      24    FINDING AND DID THAT FINDING HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU
      25    FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR EVALUATION OF THIS PATIENT?


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       1    A.  THE FINDING INDICATED THAT IN NOVEMBER OF '90 THIS
       2    PATIENT HAD SUFFERED A STROKE, CEREBRAL VASCULAR ACCIDENT IS
       3    DOCTORESE FOR STROKE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.  IT ALSO INVOLVED
       4    THE RIGHT THALAMIC REGION WHICH IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE
       5    BRAIN AND IT LEFT THIS PATIENT WITH PARALYSIS ON THE LEFT
       6    SIDE OF HER BODY THEREAFTER.  THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN
       7    CONTROLS MOTOR FUNCTION ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BODY THAT'S
       8    WHY SHE'S GOT THE PARALYSIS ON THE LEFT.  AND SO SHE HAD --
       9    SHE HAD A DEGREE OF WEAKNESS OF PARALYSIS ON THE LEFT.
      10         OF IMPORTANCE IS THE FACT THAT THE BRAIN FOLLOWING THIS
      11    STROKE HAS BEEN IRREPARABLY DAMAGED, IT'S NO LONGER -- IT'S
      12    NO LONGER NORMAL.  SECONDLY, IT INDICATES THAT SHE'S AT
      13    GREAT RISK FOR SUBSEQUENT SIMILAR EVENTS.  SOMETHING WRONG
      14    WITH HER CIRCULATORY SYSTEM WAS SEVERE ENOUGH TO CAUSE HER
      15    TO STROKE FIVE YEARS PRIOR TO THIS HOSPITALIZATION AND IS A
      16    SIGNIFICANT DEBILITATING FACTOR.
      17    Q.  I WANT TO ALSO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO 12 UNDER
      18    IMPRESSION AND IT STATES, CARDIAC SILHOUETTE ENLARGEMENT BY
      19    PORTABLE A.P. CHEST X-RAY, POSSIBLY SECONDARY TO
      20    HYPERTENSIVE CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE UNKNOWN LEFT VENTRICULAR
      21    FUNCTION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
      22    A.  IT MEANS THAT SHE'S GOT AN ENLARGED HEART ON THE
      23    PORTABLE CHEST X-RAY.  A PORTABLE CHEST X-RAY IS PERFORMED
      24    USING A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE THAN THE -- THAN THE CHEST X-RAY
      25    IN THE DEPARTMENT.  AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN THE


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       1    PORTABLE TECHNIQUE, THE X-RAY TUBE IS PLACED IN FRONT OF THE
       2    BODY AND THE FILM BLADE IS PLACED IN THE BACK.  WHEN YOU DO
       3    IT IN THE DEPARTMENT IT'S VICE-VERSA AND ON THE PORTABLE
       4    THERE IS SOME -- BECAUSE OF THAT POSITIONAL DIFFERENCE, YOU
       5    CAN GET SOME APPARENT ENLARGEMENT OF THE HEART.  THAT'S WHAT
       6    YOU'VE GOT HERE.
       7         WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ENLARGED HEART ON CHEST X-RAY
       8    WITH MRS. ANDERSON.  BUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS SHE'S GOT A
       9    BIG HEART ON THE CHEST X-RAY AND HE'S CONCERNED THAT THAT
      10    BIG HEART IS SECONDARY TO HYPERTENSIVE CARDIOVASCULAR
      11    DISEASE.  WHAT THAT MEANS IS HEART DISEASE FROM CHRONIC HIGH
      12    BLOOD PRESSURE.
      13    Q.  IS THAT FINDING IMPORTANT OR SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR
      14    PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION CONCERNING HER CAUSE OF DEATH?
      15    A.  YES.
      16    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHY THAT IS.
      17    A.  WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT A PATIENT WITH THE ACUTE PROBLEMS
      18    THAT MRS. CRANE DEVELOPED, INFECTION AND SEPSIS, IF ONE HAS
      19    A NORMAL HEART, THEY WILL HANG ON LONGER OR HAVE A BETTER
      20    CHANCE OF SURVIVING THAT ACUTE SEPSIS OR INFECTION WITH
      21    TREATMENT THAN SOMEONE WITH A DISEASED HEART.  SO WHEN YOU
      22    SUPERIMPOSE THE ACUTE EVENT ON SOMEBODY WHO ALREADY HAS A
      23    BAD HEART, IT MAKES IT THAT MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT THEY ARE
      24    GOING TO SUCCUMB TO THE ACUTE INFECTION AND SEPSIS.
      25    Q.  IF YOU WOULD TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE WHICH WOULD BE 243,


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       1    DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU?
       2    A.  I DO.
       3    Q.  AND I'LL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE NOTE DOWN THAT'S
       4    AT 1/1 OF '96, APPARENTLY NOTED BY -- WRITTEN, RATHER, BY
       5    LYNN LONG A NURSE.  WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DID THAT NOTE HAVE TO
       6    YOU IN TERMS OF YOUR OPINION?
       7    A.  THIS LADY TURNED OUT TO HAVE A RECTAL VAGINAL FISTULA.
       8    THIS NOTE APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE EARLIER, MAYBE THE
       9    EARLIEST REFERENCE IN THE RECORD TO THE EXISTENCE OF THAT
      10    MOST UNPLEASANT CONDITION.  AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THAT
      11    THEY NOTICED THAT THERE WERE FECES IN THE VAGINA WHERE THEY
      12    ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD HAVE
      13    GOTTEN THERE WAS IF THERE WAS A FISTULA, A COMMUNICATION, AN
      14    OPENING BETWEEN THE VAGINA AND THE RECTUM, AND THAT'S
      15    OBVIOUSLY OF GREAT CONCERN.  AND QUITE APPROPRIATELY, AN
      16    ON-CALL GYNECOLOGIST, A DR. HALL IT WOULD APPEAR, WAS CALLED
      17    TO ASK HIS OPINION OR HIS OR HER OPINION ON HOW TO PROCEED
      18    AND THAT DOCTOR ADVISED GETTING A CONSULT IN THE MORNING.
      19         THIS IS AT 8 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING SOMEBODY SEES THE
      20    FECES, BECOMES APPROPRIATELY ALARMED, CALLS THE DOCTOR AT
      21    8 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WHAT DO WE DO.  THE DOCTOR RESPONDS,
      22    WELL, SINCE THE PATIENT'S VITAL SIGNS AT LEAST AT THIS POINT
      23    IN TIME APPEAR STABLE, THE VITAL SIGNS, I.E., TEMPERATURE
      24    BLOOD PRESSURE AND SO FORTH, IT'S SAFE TO WAIT UNTIL THE
      25    NEXT MORNING FOR HER TO BE PHYSICALLY SEEN BY A CONSULTANT.


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       1    IF SHE WERE UNSTABLE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME
       2    IN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY.
       3    Q.  IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE OR ON THE NEXT DAY THERE'S
       4    A NOTE 1/2 OF '96 GYNECOLOGICAL CONSULT NOTE, DO YOU SEE
       5    THAT?
       6    A.  I DO.
       7    Q.  AND THAT IS A REPORT OF THE GYNECOLOGIST WHO SAW PATIENT
       8    MARY CRANE AT THAT TIME; IS THAT RIGHT?
       9    A.  RIGHT.
      10    Q.  HE SAYS DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM 25 -- PROBABILITY 25 TO
      11    35 PERCENT BY TREATING WITH BROAD SPECTRUM -- AND IT LOOKS
      12    LIKE A.B.S. FOR ANTIBIOTICS AND LOW-RESIDUE DIET.  WHAT
      13    SIGNIFICANCE IS IT THAT HE IS SUGGESTING TREATMENT BY A
      14    BROAD-SPECTRUM ANTIBIOTIC?
      15    A.  WELL, INITIALLY HE'S -- HE HAS TO CONSIDER WHETHER
      16    IMMEDIATE SURGERY IS REQUIRED AND HE TALKS ABOUT THAT A
      17    LITTLE BIT.  HE INDICATES THAT IN HIS MIND THERE IS A 25 TO
      18    35 PERCENT CHANCE THAT THIS COULD HEAL WITHOUT SURGERY.  AND
      19    WHAT WOULD BE CRITICAL TO ANY CHANCE OF THAT HEALING WOULD
      20    BE GETTING HER ON ANTIBIOTICS FOR TWO PURPOSES; ONE, TO SEE
      21    IF THOSE TISSUES WHICH BY DEFINITION ARE INFECTED CAN HEAL.
      22    AND, TWO, TO PREVENT THE INFECTION FROM GETTING WORSE.
      23    Q.  IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE 245 TO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
      24    IT LOOKS LIKE A NOTE ON 1/3/96 AND THE ONE IT SAYS,
      25    LOW-FIBER, LOW-RESIDUE DIET.  I GUESS THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH


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       1    WHAT THE GYNECOLOGIST SUGGESTED?
       2    A.  RIGHT.
       3    Q.  AND THEN, TWO, IT SAYS, PLEASE HAVE DR. DIENHART MADE
       4    AWARE OF GYNECOLOGIST RECOMMENDATION, GIVE HIM MY, IT LOOKS
       5    LIKE BEEPER NUMBER AND THEN IT'S CROSSED OUT AND IT SAYS
       6    PHONE NUMBER, CAN'T READ THAT, SO HE CAN CALL ME IF
       7    NECESSARY, THANKS, ROBERT WEITZEL AND THEN THERE'S AN ENTRY
       8    OVER THERE ON 1/3/96 AT 1100, DR. DIENHART'S SECRETARY
       9    NOTIFIED OF PHONE NUMBER, LYNN LONG, R.N.  WHAT DOES THAT
      10    TELL YOU?
      11    A.  WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT --
      12             MR. MAJOR:  OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, I THINK THAT
      13    CALLS FOR A CONCLUSION ON THE PART OF THIS WITNESS.  IT'S
      14    BEYOND THE SCOPE OF HIS ABILITY --
      15             MR. STIRBA:  IT'S PERHAPS INARTFULLY ASKED, YOUR
      16    HONOR.  I'LL REPHRASE THAT QUESTION.
      17             THE COURT:  REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
      18             MR. STIRBA:  YES.
      19    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  DOES THIS HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE FOR
      20    PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION THAT MARY CRANE DIED OF SEPSIS?
      21    A.  IT DOES.
      22    Q.  AND TELL US PLEASE WHY THAT IS.
      23    A.  IT INDICATES TO ME THAT DR. WEITZEL IS CONCERNED
      24    REGARDING THE ACUTE SITUATION SUCH THAT HE WANTS DR.
      25    DIENHART WHO IS THE INTERNIST, THE SPECIALIST IN INFECTIOUS


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       1    DISEASES, TO BE MADE AWARE OF THE GYNECOLOGIST'S
       2    RECOMMENDATION SUCH THAT DR. DIENHART WOULD THEN ORDER
       3    APPROPRIATE MEDICATION IN THE FORM OF ANTIBIOTICS.  THERE'S
       4    AN ISSUE HERE IN TERMS OF CHOICE OF THE CORRECT ANTIBIOTIC
       5    AND STANDARD PRACTICE WOULD BE TO GIVE THE CONSULTANT WHO
       6    SPECIALIZES IN THAT MORE THAN THE PSYCHIATRIST THE FIRST
       7    SHOT AT CHOOSING THE ANTIBIOTIC, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON
       8    HERE.
       9    Q.  THEN IF YOU WOULD TURN TWO PAGES, ACTUALLY, AT 248
      10    THERE'S AN ORDER AT THE TOP 1/5/96, 1330, TELEPHONE ORDER
      11    DR. WEITZEL AND IT SAYS, ONE, KEFLEX 250 MILLIGRAMS Q.I.D.
      12    P.O.  WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
      13    A.  KEFLEX IS A COMMONLY USED BROAD-SPECTRUM ANTIBIOTIC,
      14    CEPHALEXIN IS THE CHEMICAL NAME.  DR. WEITZEL IS ORDERING
      15    250 MILLIGRAMS OF IT TO BE GIVEN ORALLY FOUR TIMES A DAY.
      16    FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE ANTIBIOTIC HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN
      17    ORDERED AND BY THE 5TH, DR. WEITZEL HAS DECIDED THAT HE WILL
      18    INITIATE THE ANTIBIOTIC TREATMENT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY
      19    THE GYNECOLOGIST SEVERAL DAYS PRIOR AND HE DID SO AND THAT'S
      20    A -- THAT'S A TOTALLY REASONABLE CHOICE OF ANTIBIOTIC FOR
      21    THIS CONDITION IN MY OPINION.
      22    Q.  NOW, IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE 249, THERE ARE
      23    MULTIPLE ENTRIES ON THAT PAGE.  BUT DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION
      24    TO THE WRITING ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE
      25    AT 1/7/96 AT 3:10 IN THE AFTERNOON AND THERE'S A MED


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       1    CONSULT, DO YOU SEE THAT?
       2    A.  I DO.
       3    Q.  AND IT SAYS, ASKED TO SEE BY DR. WEITZEL.  IN REVIEWING
       4    THAT CONSULT, DID THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANCE CONCERNING YOUR
       5    OPINION THAT PATIENT MARY CRANE DIED AS A RESULT OF SEPSIS?
       6    A.  IT DID.
       7    Q.  AND TELL US PLEASE WHY YOU SAY THAT.
       8    A.  OKAY.  THE NOTE IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ BUT HIS
       9    WRITING IS MUCH MORE LEGIBLE THAN MINE.  BUT IT'S -- AS BEST
      10    I CAN INTERPRET IT SAYS, ASKED TO SEE BY DR. WEITZEL,
      11    POSSIBLE SEIZURE, TEN SECONDS.  DOCUMENTS -- DOCUMENTS OTHER
      12    THINGS GOING ON ONE OF THAT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IS AN
      13    ELEVATED WHITE BLOOD COUNT AND ABNORMAL ELECTROLYTES,
      14    MARKEDLY SO.
      15    Q.  WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AN ELEVATED WHITE BLOOD
      16    COUNT AT THIS TIME?
      17    A.  THE WHITE BLOOD COUNT INDICATES -- THE BLOOD COUNT IS
      18    ONE OF THE PRIMARY TESTS THAT WE DO TO MAKE A DIAGNOSIS OF
      19    INFECTION.  AND IN GENERAL, AN ELEVATED WHITE BLOOD COUNT
      20    INDICATES INFECTION AND A CHANGE IN -- THERE'S A NUMBER OF
      21    DIFFERENT TYPES OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS.  A CHANGE FROM THE
      22    NORMAL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHITE BLOOD CELLS FURTHER
      23    INDICATES INFECTION AND, IN FACT, INDICATES BOTH THE ACUITY
      24    AND THE SEVERITY OF THE INFECTION.
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       1    IS THE FACT THAT THESE PATIENTS SUCH AS MRS. CRANE WHO WERE
       2    GERIATRIC AND COMPROMISED BY MULTIPLE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE
       3    DISCUSSED, FREQUENTLY HAVE DIFFICULTY ELEVATING THEIR WHITE
       4    BLOOD COUNT IN RESPONSE TO INFECTION.  THE BODY PRODUCES THE
       5    WHITE BLOOD CELLS TO TRY TO KILL THE GERMS AND SOMETIMES THE
       6    WHITE BLOOD COUNT WON'T HELP IN ELDERLY PATIENTS, BECAUSE
       7    UNLIKE YOUNGER PEOPLE, IT WON'T ELEVATE IN RESPONSE TO
       8    INFECTION.
       9         THE FACT THAT IN THIS CASE THE WHITE BLOOD COUNT WENT
      10    UP TO 15,000 SOMETHING, AND EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, THAT
      11    THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE CALL THE P.M.N.'S, THE
      12    POLYMORPHONUCLEAR CELLS WHICH ARE THE REAL AGGRESSIVE
      13    INFECTION FIGHTING ONES ARE GREATER THAN 92 PERCENT --
      14    SOMETHING LIKE 92 PERCENT -- WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT
      15    THERE'S A VERY SERIOUS INFECTION HERE AND PROBABLY A
      16    CONDITION WE CALL SEPSIS.
      17    Q.  NOW YOU ARE REFERRING TO A LAB, ARE YOU NOT, WITH THOSE
      18    FINDINGS?
      19    A.  I AM, YES.
      20    Q.  MAYBE IF WE CAN TURN, PLEASE, TO THE LAB YOU ARE
      21    REFERRING TO WHICH IS A FEW PAGES BEYOND DR. DIENHART'S NOTE
      22    IT'S 261, MED-261.
      23    A.  OKAY.
      24    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT A STUDY OF?
      25    A.  YOU HAVE A GOT ACTUALLY TWO LAB REPORTS, 261 AND 264.


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       1    Q.  WHY DON'T WE DEAL WITH 264 FIRST.
       2    A.  OKAY.
       3    Q.  BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT TO YOUR
       4    WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT TESTIMONY.
       5    A.  RIGHT.
       6    Q.  JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.
       7    A.  I WILL.  IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT WHERE IT
       8    SAYS NORMAL RANGE UNITS, ONE WILL SEE THAT THE NORMAL RANGE
       9    FOR WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT IS 4.8, THAT'S 4800 TO 10,800.
      10    AND, IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO PREVIOUS BLOOD COUNTS
      11    THAT WERE DONE ON MRS. CRANE ON THE 28TH OF DECEMBER AND THE
      12    1ST OF JANUARY, BOTH OF THOSE WERE IN FACT WITHIN THE NORMAL
      13    RANGE, 8800 AND 9400.
      14         LOOKING FAR LEFT, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST RESENT RESULT
      15    YOU SEE A 15.0, THAT MEANS THAT THE WHITE BLOOD COUNT WAS
      16    15,000.  THERE IS A CAPITAL H NEXT TO IT WHICH IS A LITTLE
      17    THING THAT THE COMPUTER GENERATES TO KIND OF CLUE THE
      18    PHYSICIAN IN CASE HE MISSED IT OR SOMETHING THAT THAT'S HIGH
      19    AND, IN FACT, IN THIS CONTEXT IN THIS PATIENT TO ME THAT'S
      20    ALARMINGLY SO.
      21    Q.  AND INDICATIVE OF WHAT?
      22    A.  SEVERE INFECTION.
      23    Q.  AND THEN IF YOU'LL GO DOWN THAT COLUMN WE GET TO A
      24    COLUMN IT LOOKS LIKE, IT SAYS, SEGS AND THEN A PERCENTAGE.
      25    A.  RIGHT.


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       1    Q.  WOULD YOU WOULD YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE
       2    SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT FINDING IS IN THAT TEST REPORT DATED
       3    JANUARY 5, '96?
       4    A.  YES.  SEGS ARE THE TYPES OF CELLS THAT I REFERRED TO AS
       5    P.M.N.'S, IT MEANS THE SAME THING AND THEY ARE JUST
       6    INTERCHANGEABLE NAMES.  OF THE WHITE BLOOD CELLS THERE'S
       7    SEGS, THERE'S LYMPHOCYTES THERE'S MONOCYTES AND THERE'S
       8    EOSINOPHILS. AND IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE
       9    THE NORMAL PERCENTAGES OF THOSE TYPES OF CELLS AMONG, YOU
      10    KNOW, THE 100 PERCENT OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS AND THE SEGS ARE
      11    INVARIABLY THE MOST COMMON.  NORMAL RANGE IS 36 TO
      12    66 PERCENT AND ON DOWN.
      13         NOW, YOU CAN SEE, IN FACT, THAT -- THIS IS KIND OF
      14    INTERESTING, THAT ON ADMISSION HER PERCENTAGE OF SEGS WAS
      15    WITHIN THE NORMAL RANGE, 59 PERCENT.  ON THE 1ST, EVEN
      16    THOUGH THE TOTAL WHITE BLOOD COUNT WAS WITHIN THE NORMAL
      17    RANGE, 8800, THE SEGS WERE ELEVATED.  THIS IS ACTUALLY THE
      18    FIRST SUBTLE CLUE THAT AN INFECTIOUS PROCESS IS
      19    ACCELERATING.
      20    Q.  AND THAT'S THE DAY WHEN IT'S FIRST DOCUMENTED OF THE
      21    FISTULA; IS THAT RIGHT?
      22    A.  CORRECT, THAT'S RIGHT.  SO IT'S COINCIDENT WITH THAT.
      23    AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE INFECTION IS JUST GETTING
      24    ROLLING AND THE FIRST SIGN AND THIS IS QUITE COMMON IS THAT
      25    THE TOTAL WHITE BLOOD COUNT IS NORMAL BUT THE PERCENTAGE OF


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       1    SEGS IS ELEVATED.
       2         BY THE 5TH, THE PERCENTAGE IS 91.2 PERCENT AND I DON'T
       3    THINK I'VE EVER SEEN IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF WHITE
       4    COUNTS I'VE SEEN ONE ABOVE ABOUT 93 OR 4 PERCENT.  AND WHAT
       5    THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S SEVERE INFECTION PRESENT AND
       6    LIKELY SEPSIS WHICH MEANS THAT THE INFECTION HAS BECOME
       7    BLOOD BORN AND IS TAKING OVER THE BODY.  AND WHEN YOU LOOK
       8    AT A WHITE COUNT LIKE THIS WHAT IT MEANS IS YOU'VE GOT
       9    SOMEBODY WHO IS IN EXTREME DANGER OF DYING VERY, VERY SOON.
      10    Q.  NOW IF YOU --
      11             THE COURT:  OKAY.  YOU ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE
      12    LONGER.
      13             MR. STIRBA:  YES, I AM, JUDGE, CERTAINLY.
      14             THE COURT:  LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S NOON SO
      15    LET'S TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK NOW TO 1:30.  AND DURING THAT
      16    TIME REMEMBER IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO CONVERSE AMONG
      17    YOURSELVES OR TO CONVERSE WITH OR ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE
      18    ADDRESSED BY ANYONE ON THE SUBJECT OF THIS TRIAL AND IT'S
      19    YOUR DUTY NOT TO FORM OR EXPRESS AN OPINION UNTIL THE CASE
      20    IS FINALLY SUBMITTED TO YOU AFTER YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE
      21    EVIDENCE.  ALSO REMEMBER NOT TO LISTEN TO ANY RADIO,
      22    TELEVISION, NEWS REPORTS OR NEWSPAPER MAGAZINE REPORTS ABOUT
      23    THE TRIAL.  SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE AT 1:30 AND JUST
      24    LEAVE ALL THESE BINDERS AND THINGS ON THE CHAIRS.
      25               (WHEREUPON THE JURY WAS EXCUSED.)


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       1             THE COURT:  YOU MAY BE SEATED AND THE RECORD WILL
       2    REFLECT THAT THE JURY HAS LEFT.  YOU CAN TAKE YOUR SEAT DOWN
       3    THERE YOU DON'T NEED TO SIT THERE IF YOU WANT.
       4             THE WITNESS:  THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
       5             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WE INDICATED OR I INDICATED
       6    EARLIER THAT THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS FILED, A MOTION FOR
       7    SANCTIONS BASED ON PLAINTIFF'S VIOLATIONS OF COURT ORDERS
       8    AND UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.  DO YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THAT AT
       9    THIS POINT?
      10             MS. BARLOW:  YOUR HONOR, COULD WE DO THAT AFTER
      11    LUNCH?  I'VE BEEN -- IT'S ADDRESSED TOWARDS ME AND I'VE BEEN
      12    INVOLVED IN THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE THIS MORNING AND I
      13    WOULD APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
      14             THE COURT:  OKAY.
      15             MR. STIRBA:  IN FACT, JUDGE, IT'S NOT -- IT'S
      16    SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT FOR
      17    COUNSEL AND THE COURT SO WHENEVER THAT IS AND IF IT'S NOT --
      18             THE COURT:  WHAT TIME DO YOU WANT TO DO IT?
      19             MS. BARLOW:  I WOULD IMAGINE 15 MINUTES WOULD BE
      20    LONG ENOUGH TO COVER IT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AT 1:15.
      21             THE COURT:  WILL THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME?
      22             MR. STIRBA:  I -- QUITE FRANKLY, JUDGE, IS THIS
      23    SOMETHING MAYBE WE COULD DEAL WITH MAYBE RIGHT AT THE END OF
      24    THE DAY OR RIGHT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING BECAUSE --
      25             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WOULD YOU CARE?


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       1             MS. BARLOW:  WELL, IT'S HIS MOTION AND I WOULD
       2    REALLY LIKE TO GET IT ADDRESSED.
       3             MR. STIRBA:  WELL, FINE, 1:15.
       4             THE COURT:  OKAY.  LET'S GO 1:15 AND BE BACK HERE
       5    AT THAT TIME.
       6            (WHEREUPON A LUNCH RECESS WAS TAKEN.)
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       1         (WHEREUPON THE AFTERNOON SESSION BEGINS.)
       2             THE COURT:  OKAY.  WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD OUTSIDE
       3    THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY.  IT LOOKS LIKE OUTSIDE THE
       4    PRESENCE OF ALL THE PUBLIC.  NOBODY IS HERE.
       5         THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION FILED THAT'S ENTITLED A MOTION
       6    FOR SANCTIONS BASED ON PLAINTIFF'S VIOLATIONS OF COURT
       7    ORDERS AND UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.  SO, MR. STIRBA, THAT'S
       8    YOUR MOTION?
       9             MR. STIRBA:  YES, YOUR HONOR.  THANK YOU.  I DIDN'T
      10    FILE THIS LIGHTLY.  I'LL TELL YOU WHY I DID FILE IT.  IT
      11    SEEMS LIKES THERE'S A REPEATED PATTERN IN THIS CASE OF
      12    EITHER ASKING QUESTIONS DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO WHAT THE COURT
      13    HAS ALREADY RULED; ASKING QUESTIONS WHOSE ONLY PURPOSE IS TO
      14    POTENTIALLY INJECT SOME PREJUDICIAL AND EXTRANEOUS
      15    INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THE JURY; OR TO SOMEHOW SOUR, FOR
      16    THE PRESS'S, I GUESS, GOOD, THE PUBLICITY IN THIS CASE
      17    AGAINST THE DEFENDANT.  YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO PUT UP WITH
      18    IT FOR SO LONG THEN I FEEL I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
      19         I'M FULLY AWARE, PROBABLY AS AWARE AS ANYBODY, THAT
      20    THESE PROCESSES AND TRIALS ARE DIFFICULT.  THAT OBVIOUSLY
      21    PEOPLE DO AND SAY THINGS SOMETIMES COMPLETELY INADVERTENTLY,
      22    JUST THROUGH THEIR OWN EMOTIONAL WEARINESS OR EXCITEMENT OR
      23    WHAT HAVE YOU.  THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
      24         I AM CONCERNED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WHAT PRECIPITATED
      25    THIS WAS A QUESTION YESTERDAY ABOUT MORPHINE.  I REALLY


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       1    DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS ON OR
       2    OFF LIMITS WITH RESPECT TO MORPHINE IN THIS CASE.  COUNSEL
       3    ASKED TWO QUESTIONS.  ONE I LET GO, ABOUT WAS THERE ANY
       4    MORPHINE BEFORE.  PROBABLY BECAUSE I WAS ASLEEP.  THE OTHER
       5    TIME I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THAT ONE
       6    GO.  IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THE CASE.  THE
       7    ONLY PURPOSE TO ASK THE QUESTION, THE ONLY PURPOSE I COULD
       8    SEE, WAS TO SOMEHOW INJECT SOMETHING BEFORE THIS JURY.
       9         I DON'T WANT A MISTRIAL.  WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE
      10    WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS FOR HOW MANY WEEKS, HOW MANY
      11    WITNESSES, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN GOING ON.  WE'RE GETTING TO
      12    THAT CUSP WHERE WE'LL HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME.  THAT WAS A
      13    MISTRIAL QUESTION YESTERDAY, AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED.
      14    THIS IS ON TOP OF THE OTHER THINGS WE INDICATED IN THE
      15    ORDER.  I THINK IT WAS ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY, BEYOND THE
      16    PALE OF ANY RATIONAL REASON THAT I COULD EVER SEE FOR A
      17    LAWYER TO STAND UP, WHEN THE PRESS IS ALL OVER THIS THING,
      18    IN OPEN COURT, WITHOUT ANY ADVANCE WARNING, AND SAY WE WANT
      19    TO MAKE A PROFFER.  AND THEN PROFFER WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY --
      20    WHAT WAS PROFFERED TO YOUR HONOR, WHICH EVENTUALLY ENDED UP
      21    AS THE HEADLINE, APPARENTLY, IN ONE OF THE PAPERS, WHEN
      22    THERE WASN'T EVEN THE REMOTEST CHANCE THAT, UNDER ANY
      23    CIRCUMSTANCE, THAT WOULD EVER BE ADMISSIBLE IN THIS
      24    PROCEEDING.
      25         SO, THAT'S MY CONCERN.  I COULD GO ON AND ON.  I'LL


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       1    TELL YOU WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT NOW.  WE'RE GETTING TO
       2    THE END.  I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES OF THE GAME.
       3    THE COURT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS CASE IS
       4    ABOUT AND THE LIMITATIONS OR THE BOX IN WHICH WE'LL LITIGATE
       5    THIS CASE.  I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE
       6    REPEAT EPISODES OF WHAT I CONSIDER ARE QUESTIONS WHICH HAVE
       7    NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN TO INFLAME AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A
       8    SITUATION WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A MISTRIAL.  THAT
       9    CONCERNS ME GREATLY, GIVEN ALL THE EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN PUT
      10    INTO THIS CASE BY THE COURT AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
      11         I JUST REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD ADDRESS THIS
      12    WITHOUT AT LEAST BRINGING THIS TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION IN
      13    THE FASHION THAT I HAVE.  I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS NOT
      14    REALLY -- I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY COULD SOMEHOW ASSURE ME THAT
      15    AT LEAST FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF THIS TRIAL WE'RE GOING TO
      16    AT LEAST LITIGATE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT THE COURT HAS
      17    RULED, THAT WOULD MAKE ME, QUITE FRANKLY, A VERY HAPPY
      18    PERSON.  I'M NOT INTERESTED NECESSARILY IN DOING THIS,
      19    EXCEPT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS IS NOT TROUBLESOME DOWN
      20    THE ROAD.
      21         EVERY PROSECUTOR KNOWS THAT YOU ARE TO STRIKE FAIR
      22    BLOWS, BUT NOT FOUL ONES.  WHEN YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ON
      23    CROSS THAT KIND OF COME OUT OF LEFT FIELD AND THAT ARE
      24    CLEARLY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF ANY REMOTE CHANCE OF
      25    LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, THE FIRST TIME MAYBE


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       1    THAT'S OKAY.  MAYBE THAT'S AN INADVERTENCE OR SOMETHING THAT
       2    JUST HAPPENED.  IT DOES HAPPEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT.  BUT WHEN
       3    WE'VE HAD REPEATED EXAMPLES OF IT I JUST GET TO THE POINT I
       4    HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION AND HOPE THAT WE
       5    CAN ADDRESS IT IN SOME RATIONAL MANNER.  THAT'S WHY I FILED
       6    THE MOTION.
       7             THE COURT:  ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE DECORUM ORDER
       8    VIOLATION?
       9             MR. STIRBA:  THE DECORUM ORDER VIOLATION IS ANOTHER
      10    PROBLEM.  I'LL TELL YOU, I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT.  I WASN'T
      11    HERE.  I HAD LEFT.  I WAS PRETTY TAKEN ABACK, AFTER WHAT
      12    WE'D GONE THROUGH IN THE MORNING, THAT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE
      13    HAVING THESE KINDS OF CONFERENCES WITH THE PRESS IN THE
      14    COURTROOM.
      15         YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE DEFENSE HASN'T SAID A WORD ABOUT
      16    THIS CASE PROBABLY SINCE THE FIRST DAY THAT DR. WEITZEL WAS
      17    ARRAIGNED.  WHAT I SAID THEN WAS BASICALLY THE TRUTH, THAT
      18    THIS WILL BE A TOUGH CASE FOR EVERYBODY.  I MENTIONED THE
      19    FAMILIES, THE DEFENDANT, THE STATE.  THAT'S THE ONLY THING
      20    I'VE EVER SAID ABOUT THIS CASE SINCE IT WAS FILED.  WE DON'T
      21    TALK ABOUT IT AND WE'RE NOT TRYING IT IN THE PRESS.  WE'RE
      22    NOT LOOKING FOR HEADLINES, WE'RE JUST DOING OUR JOB IN THE
      23    COURTROOM.
      24         I WAS CONCERNED THAT HERE WE HAVE THESE IN CHAMBERS
      25    DISCUSSIONS, ONE OF WHICH RELATES TO A JUROR.  THEN


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       1    ESSENTIALLY WE'RE HAVING, BEFORE IT'S EVEN HEARD PUBLICLY, I
       2    MEAN THERE WASN'T EVEN A HEARING, WE'RE HAVING A PRESS
       3    CONFERENCE OR INTERCHANGES WITH THE PRESS DISCLOSING
       4    EVERYTHING THAT WASN'T EVEN AT THAT POINT A MATTER OF PUBLIC
       5    RECORD.
       6         I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES IN THE SEDUCTIVE
       7    NATURE -- SOMETIMES YOU TALK TO THE PRESS AND PERHAPS IN
       8    SECOND THOUGHT YOU SAY MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE.  I UNDERSTAND
       9    THAT.  BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, ONCE AGAIN, THE PURPOSE IS
      10    TO WHAT?  TO ADVANCE THIS CASE IN THE PRESS OR WHAT?  I
      11    DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE AND IT CONCERNS ME IN TERMS OF
      12    WHERE IS THIS CASE BEING TRIED.
      13             THE COURT:  OKAY.  MS. BARLOW.
      14             MS. BARLOW:  THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.  I'LL ADDRESS
      15    THE MOTION AS IT IS WRITTEN.  TO BEGIN WITH, I'LL EXPLAIN TO
      16    THE COURT -- WELL, FIRST, I THINK THE COURT'S DECORUM ORDER
      17    THAT IS CITED BY THE DEFENDANT IS GUIDELINES FOR THE PRESS.
      18    ON PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH TWO, "NO INTERVIEWS MAY BE CONDUCTED
      19    AND NO VIDEO OR STILL PHOTOGRAPHY EQUIPMENT OPERATED IN THE
      20    COURTHOUSE ENTRY, FOYERS OR HALLWAYS.  ALL INTERVIEWS AND
      21    ANY USE OF VIDEO CAMERAS WILL ONLY BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE
      22    CONFINES OF THE PRESS ROOM OR OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE
      23    BUILDING."
      24         I'LL START WITH IF, AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS, BUT IF
      25    THERE IS ANY VIOLATION THAT VIOLATION WAS BY THE PRESS NOT


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       1    BY ME.  THIS ORDER WAS DIRECTED TO THE PRESS.  THERE IS NO
       2    VIOLATION.  IT WAS NOT AN INTERVIEW.  AS THE COURT IS AWARE,
       3    THERE WAS AN IN CHAMBERS BUT ON THE RECORD, SO CLEARLY
       4    PUBLIC --
       5             THE COURT:  BEFORE YOU GO THERE, I JUST WANT TO
       6    TELL YOU THAT THE THING THAT WAS ON THE RECORD -- I'VE HAD
       7    NOTHING IN MY CHAMBERS EXCEPT THE MOTION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP
       8    THAT DAY.  YOU WOULD NOT TELL MY LAW CLERK WHAT THAT MOTION
       9    WAS ABOUT.  YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO MEET IN CHAMBERS.  I SAID
      10    YES.  I WOULD HAVE HAD THAT IN THE COURTROOM ON THE RECORD
      11    LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN IN THIS CASE, BUT THE COUNTY
      12    ATTORNEY CAME UP HERE AND SAID WE WANT TO MEET IN CHAMBERS.
      13    THEY WOULD NOT SAY WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.  SO THE PRESS AND
      14    EVERYONE ELSE HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.  I WOULD HAVE
      15    HAD THAT ON THE RECORD IN THE COURTROOM, HAVE EVERYBODY HEAR
      16    WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, BUT IT WAS DONE BACK THERE.  THAT
      17    WAS YOUR DOING, IT WASN'T MINE.
      18             MS. BARLOW:  WHEN YOU SAY YOUR, I ASSUME --
      19             THE COURT:  YOUR SIDE OF THE CASE.  THERE'S THREE
      20    OF YOU TRYING THIS CASE.  IT'S YOUR SIDE OF THE CASE THAT
      21    ASKED FOR THAT.  I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT RIGHT IN THE
      22    COURTROOM.  I DON'T CARE WHAT WAS GOING TO BE SAID, IT COULD
      23    HAVE BEEN SAID IN THE COURTROOM BEFORE EVERYBODY.
      24             MS. BARLOW:  I UNDERSTAND.
      25             THE COURT:  BUT YOUR SIDE ASKED FOR IT IN MY


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       1    CHAMBERS.  YOU WOULD NOT SAY WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.  THEN SAID
       2    IT IN THE CHAMBERS.  AFTER THAT IT WENT IMMEDIATELY TO JUDGE
       3    ALLPHIN AND THEN WHEREVER IT WENT.  BUT THE POINT WAS, YES,
       4    THAT WAS ON THE RECORD.  THE COURT REPORTER WAS THERE.  BUT
       5    IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE COURTROOM.  OF EVERYTHING ELSE IN
       6    THIS TRIAL, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT HASN'T BEEN IN THE
       7    COURTROOM IN THIS TRIAL.
       8         EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE IN THIS COURTROOM FROM NOW ON.
       9    IF YOU COME UP, YOUR SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE, AND SAYS WE
      10    WANT TO MEET WITH THE JUDGE IN CHAMBERS, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
      11             MS. BARLOW:  OKAY, YOUR HONOR, I ACCEPT THAT.  BUT
      12    AS THE COURT IS ALSO AWARE, THE COURT'S CLERK CAME OUT, LAW
      13    CLERK, CAME OUT AND TOLD THE PRESS WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN
      14    CHAMBERS.  DURING ONE OF THE BREAKS, I GUESS PROBABLY THE
      15    LUNCH BREAK, MEMBERS OF THE PRESS APPROACHED ME AND, YES, IT
      16    WAS IN THE COURTROOM.  THEY ASKED WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN
      17    CHAMBERS.  I BASICALLY TOLD THEM WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN
      18    CHAMBERS, THAT THERE WAS A MOTION AND THAT THERE WOULD BE A
      19    FURTHER HEARING ON IT IN THE AFTERNOON.  I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
      20    TIME THAT HEARING WOULD BE.
      21         MR. MAY AND MS. KIRKHAM, WHO ARE AFFILIATED WITH MR.
      22    STIRBA, WERE PRESENT FOR PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.  THEN ONE
      23    OF THE MEDIA PEOPLE ASKED ME IF I THOUGHT IT WAS NO BIG
      24    DEAL.  I SAID I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING NEFARIOUS,
      25    THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS INNOCUOUS.  TO MY DISMAY I SAW THAT IN


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       1    THE MEDIA THE NEXT DAY.
       2         I DON'T CONSIDER IT AN INTERVIEW.  BUT EVEN IF IT WERE
       3    AN INTERVIEW, THE GUIDELINES THERE, AND ALSO IN 4-401, ARE
       4    TO THE MEDIA AND TO THE PUBLIC.  SO I DON'T THINK ASKING FOR
       5    SANCTIONS FOR ME, FOR WHAT I THOUGHT WAS JUST A BACKGROUND
       6    ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS, NOT AN INTERVIEW, WOULD BE
       7    APPROPRIATE.
       8         AS TO THE NEXT REFERENCE, AS INDICATED ON PAGE THREE OF
       9    DEFENDANT'S MOTION, THERE WAS A PROFFER MADE OUTSIDE THE
      10    PRESENCE OF THE JURY.  THE COURT SUPPRESSED THAT EVIDENCE,
      11    DID NOT ALLOW IT IN.  I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY PREJUDICE
      12    TO THIS TRIAL ON INFORMATION THAT DID NOT GO TO THE JURY.
      13             THE COURT:  WHAT ABOUT THE DANGER OF WHAT DOESN'T
      14    GO TO A JURY BECAUSE THE JURY IS NOT IN HERE AND THEN IT'S
      15    REPORTED IN THE PRESS?  IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I
      16    TELL THESE PEOPLE EVERY DAY AT NOON AND AT THE END OF THE
      17    DAY, ON THE FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND, DON'T READ THE PAPERS,
      18    DON'T WATCH THE NEWS.  IT WILL BE AN EXCEPTIONAL JURY THAT
      19    ALL 12 PEOPLE NEVER WILL LOOK OR HEAR.
      20             MS. BARLOW:  WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE JURY
      21    PROCESS IS APPROPRIATE.  WE HAVE TO ASSUME THEY WILL FOLLOW
      22    THE ORDER.
      23             THE COURT:  WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT, BUT WE DON'T
      24    HAVE TO ASSUME THAT WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE PAPER DURING THIS
      25    TRIAL RECENTLY, AS OF THIS MORNING, WHAT WAS IN THE PAPER IS


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       1    NOT GOING TO GET TO THE JURY.
       2             MS. BARLOW:  WELL, THE JURY HAS BEEN INFORMED AT
       3    LENGTH THAT THEY'RE NOT TO READ THAT.  IF THEY READ IT
       4    THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR -- I CANNOT ASSUME THAT ALL 12
       5    PEOPLE WILL VIOLATE THE COURT'S ORDERS.
       6             THE COURT:  OKAY.  THIS VIOLATION THAT HE'S
       7    CLAIMING HERE IS THAT THERE WAS NO REASON ON EARTH THAT YOU
       8    SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THAT SHOULD COME INTO EVIDENCE,
       9    BASED ON PRIOR RULINGS ON 404(B) EVIDENCE.  AND THAT THIS
      10    WASN'T ONE OF THE FIVE PATIENTS THAT WAS INVOLVED.
      11             MS. BARLOW:  YOUR HONOR, AS WE ARGUED, WE THOUGHT
      12    IT DID -- THAT IT WAS RELEVANT.  WE ARGUED THAT WE BELIEVED
      13    THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO COME IN.  I THINK IT WAS AT THIS
      14    POINT THAT THE COURT MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT ANYTHING NOT
      15    INVOLVING THOSE FIVE PATIENTS WOULD NOT COME IN.  AT LEAST
      16    IN MY MIND IT WASN'T THAT CLEAR PRIOR TO THIS TIME.
      17             THE COURT:  BUT THEN I RULED ON THIS AND THEN THE
      18    NEXT THING WAS THAT WE HAD A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT VERY
      19    RULING AGAIN.
      20             MS. BARLOW:  RIGHT.  HOPING THAT AT THAT POINT
      21    PERHAPS THE COURT COULD SEE THAT -- WOULD SEE OUR POINT OF
      22    VIEW, THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS MORE PROBATIVE.  THE COURT DID
      23    NOT SEE IT THAT WAY.  WE HAD HOPED THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
      24    CONVINCE THE COURT THAT IT WAS -- IT WAS MORE PROBATIVE THAN
      25    PREJUDICIAL, BUT CLEARLY WE DID NOT.  THERE'S BEEN NO


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       1    MENTION OF IT SINCE.
       2         AS TO HIS ALLEGATION ON PAGE FOUR, I AGREE THAT I DID
       3    MISSPEAK.  IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRIAL.  I
       4    IMMEDIATELY APOLOGIZED AND IMMEDIATELY WENT ON TO OTHER
       5    THINGS.  I'M SORRY THAT I MISSPOKE.  I DIDN'T INTEND TO.  AS
       6    THE WORDS CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH I THOUGHT I DIDN'T MEAN TO
       7    SAY THAT.  BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE HEAT OF A TRIAL, IT
       8    DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES.  I DID APOLOGIZE.  THE MATTER WAS
       9    QUICKLY -- THE OBJECTION WAS QUICKLY SUSTAINED AND WE WENT
      10    ON.  SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GROUNDS FOR A MISTRIAL.
      11             THE COURT:  I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S SAYING THIS IS
      12    GROUNDS FOR MISTRIAL.  HE'S SAYING WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO
      13    THE LINE.  WE'VE NOW SPENT FOUR WEEKS IN A SIX WEEK TRIAL.
      14    WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE IN THE FUTURE.
      15             MS. BARLOW:  WE DON'T.  I KNOW THAT EVEN AS MUCH AS
      16    EVERYONE ELSE.  IF A MISTRIAL IS CAUSED BY THE STATE, WE
      17    CANNOT RETRY THIS CASE.  SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT SEEKING A
      18    MISTRIAL.  WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FORCE A MISTRIAL.  WE'RE
      19    JUST TRYING TO PUT OUR EVIDENCE ON.  CLEARLY WE HAVE A
      20    DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WITH THE DEFENDANT ABOUT WHAT IS
      21    PROBATIVE AND WHAT IS UNDULY PREJUDICIAL.
      22             THE COURT:  DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION IN YOUR MIND
      23    THAT A QUESTION TO NURSE STEVENSON YESTERDAY, WHETHER
      24    MORPHINE WAS ADMINISTERED ON THE UNIT AFTER JANUARY 1996,
      25    SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED?  THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE


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       1    DEFENDANT GET UP AND OBJECT AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO RULE?
       2             MS. BARLOW:  YOUR HONOR, I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE
       3    OR I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED IT, NUMBER ONE.  I THINK IT'S
       4    APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE HAD TESTIMONY WITH ONE OF OUR NURSE
       5    WITNESSES THAT SHE WAS ASKED IF THE DEFENDANT WAS -- I CAN'T
       6    REMEMBER HOW THE LANGUAGE WENT.  IF THE DEFENDANT WAS
       7    DISCIPLINED AFTER SHE REPORTED HER CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEATHS
       8    OF THESE PATIENTS.  SHE WAS ALSO ASKED IF HE HAD CONTINUED
       9    WORKING --
      10             THE COURT:  WELL, THAT WAS A SITUATION WHERE YOU
      11    OPENED THE DOOR.  DID YOU TALK TO THE OWNER -- TO THE PERSON
      12    IN THE ORGANIZATION, HORIZON, THAT RAN THIS THING OR ANY OF
      13    THEIR PEOPLE.  SHE SAID YES, I TALKED TO MR. CHAMBERS AND I
      14    COMPLAINED ABOUT WHAT DR. WEITZEL WAS DOING.  THAT WAS A
      15    DOOR OPENED.  HE ASKED WAS HE DISCIPLINED.  DID HE GET BACK
      16    TO YOU, WAS HE DISCIPLINED, DID HE WORK THEREAFTER.  YOU
      17    OPENED THE DOOR, HE RESPONDED TO THAT.
      18         NOW, ASKING ABOUT WHETHER MORPHINE WAS GIVEN, WHAT
      19    RELEVANCE IS THERE WHETHER MORPHINE WAS GIVEN AFTER THESE
      20    PEOPLE DIED FOR THIS JURY IN THIS MURDER CASE?
      21             MS. BARLOW:  TO GO TO THAT VERY ISSUE OF WHETHER HE
      22    WAS DISCIPLINED.  THERE WERE CHANGES ON THE UNIT AFTERWARDS
      23    THAT I THINK WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE DEATHS OF THESE
      24    PATIENTS.  THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVANT AND
      25    PROBATIVE AND ASKED THAT QUESTION.


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       1         FINALLY, ON PAGE FIVE -- WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT TOO.
       2    THE COURT HAD RULED PREVIOUSLY WITH SOME OTHER WITNESSES
       3    THAT CERTAIN QUESTIONS COULD NOT BE ASKED.  FRANKLY, I
       4    DIDN'T READ THAT AS A BLANKET ORDER FOR ALL WITNESSES, SO I
       5    ASKED THE QUESTION OF THIS WITNESS, WHICH WAS OBJECTED TO
       6    AND SUSTAINED.  I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BLATANT VIOLATION OF
       7    A COURT ORDER BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL THE COURT HAVING ANY
       8    BLANKET ORDER TO THAT EFFECT.  PERHAPS I MISREAD THE COURT
       9    AND THE COURT'S PREVIOUS ORDERS, BUT ORDERS NOT ALLOWING
      10    CERTAIN EVIDENCE WITH CERTAIN WITNESSES I DON'T READ AS JUST
      11    A BLANKET OBJECTION, OR A BLANKET ORDER THAT THE SAME
      12    QUESTIONS CAN'T BE ASKED OF OTHER WITNESSES, UNLESS THE
      13    COURT DOES SAY YOU CAN'T ASK THAT.
      14         I'VE TRIED VERY HARD NOT TO VIOLATE ANY BLANKET ORDERS
      15    SUCH AS THAT.  I DO ADMIT THAT I DID MISSPEAK THAT ONE TIME.
      16    THAT HOPEFULLY WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
      17         BASED ON THAT, I THINK THIS MOTION FOR SANCTIONS ISN'T
      18    APPROPRIATE AND I WOULD ASK THE COURT TO DENY IT.
      19             THE COURT:  ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. STIRBA?
      20             MR. STIRBA:  ONE THING.  I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE
      21    FINAL STATEMENTS OF COUNSEL.  IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE
      22    COURT HAVE TO RULE ON WHAT THINGS ARE EXCLUDED ON EVERY
      23    WITNESS, THAT IS REALLY THE PROBLEM.  I THINK THE
      24    EVIDENTIARY RULINGS HAVE BEEN MADE.  IT'S IMPROPER TO KEEP
      25    ON ASKING THE QUESTIONS.  I'LL SUBMIT IT, YOUR HONOR.


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       1             THE COURT:  WHETHER THE DECORUM ORDER APPLIES TO
       2    THE PRESS AND PEOPLE THAT COME TO WATCH THE TRIAL OR WHETHER
       3    IT APPLIES TO ATTORNEYS, FAIR NOTICE TO EVERYONE FROM NOW
       4    ON, IT APPLIES TO ATTORNEYS AS WELL.  ANY VIOLATION OF THE
       5    DECORUM ORDER BY ATTORNEYS WILL BE CONTEMPT.  JUST AS IT
       6    MENTIONS ON PAGE FOUR, "ANY PERSON VIOLATING THESE RULES OR
       7    CONDUCT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE DISCIPLINE OF THE COURT,
       8    INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE CONTEMPT AUTHORITY OF THE
       9    COURT AND BARRING THE PERSON FROM THE COURTROOM."
      10         I WILL TELL THE PRESS RIGHT NOW THAT THEY ARE NOT TO
      11    ASK -- IF THEY ASK QUESTIONS TO PEOPLE IN THIS COURTROOM,
      12    ASKING QUESTIONS IS A VIOLATION OF THIS.  I'M GOING TO
      13    INTERPRET THAT AS AN INTERVIEW.  IF YOU ASK A QUESTION AND
      14    WANT AN ANSWER, THAT'S AN INTERVIEW.  SO IF THERE'S ANY
      15    INTERVIEWS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THIS COURTROOM OR IN THE
      16    FOYERS, YOU KNOW, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT AND THE
      17    PEOPLE WHO ARE REPORTING THOSE THINGS, THOSE NEWSPAPERS WILL
      18    BE OUT OF THIS TRIAL.  OR T.V. STATIONS OR RADIO STATIONS.
      19         THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
      20    INTERVIEWS, QUESTIONS ASKED, IN THIS COURTROOM OR ANYWHERE
      21    ELSE IT SAYS IN THE DECORUM ORDER.  IF ANYBODY VIOLATES
      22    THAT, IF IT'S THE PRESS, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE
      23    COURTROOM AND YOU WON'T BE HERE FOR THE REST OF THE TRIAL.
      24         SECONDLY, THE ISSUE OF REVISITING THINGS A HUNDRED
      25    TIMES.  THIS TRIAL, I AGREE, IS HARD ON EVERYONE.  IT'S NO


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       1    HARDER ON THE JUDGE OR THE JURY OR THE PARTIES OR THE
       2    FAMILIES OF THE PARTIES THAN ANYONE ELSE.  I AGREE THAT WE
       3    HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS THING FOR FOUR WEEKS AND WE'RE
       4    BASICALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE OUGHT TO BE GETTING
       5    IT DONE AND HAVING THE JURY DECIDE THIS CASE.
       6         THE OTHER THING THAT THE DECORUM ORDER STATES, IN THE
       7    FIRST PARAGRAPH, IS THAT "THE COURT ANTICIPATES THAT THE
       8    TRIAL OF THIS CASE MAY GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC INTEREST
       9    AND MEDIA ATTENTION."  IT SAYS, "IN LIGHT OF THIS
      10    POSSIBILITY," AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE
      11    POSSIBILITY, IT'S A REALITY, "THE COURT HAS SET FORTH
      12    SEVERAL RULES OF CONDUCT AND OTHER GUIDELINES DESIGNED TO
      13    GOVERN THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE TRIAL
      14    AND THOSE OBSERVING THE TRIAL, SO THAT THE DECORUM OF AN
      15    OPEN COURT WILL BE MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE PROCEEDINGS.
      16    THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THESE RULES AND GUIDELINES IS TO
      17    SECURE THE DEFENDANT'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO A FAIR AND
      18    IMPARTIAL JURY WHILE PERMITTING THE PUBLIC TO EXERCISE ITS
      19    FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT OF ACCESS TO CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS.  TO
      20    PROTECT AND IDENTIFY -- "TO PROTECT THE IDENTITY," EXCUSE
      21    ME, "AND PRIVACY OF JURORS AND TO PROJECT JURORS, WITNESSES
      22    AND PARTIES FROM UNNECESSARY COMMOTION, CONFUSION, OR
      23    INFLUENCE."
      24         I DON'T WANT ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THIS COURTROOM THAT
      25    WILL INFLUENCE THE JURY ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE EVIDENCE


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       1    IN THIS CASE.  I'M GOING TO REVIEW A FEW THINGS THAT I'VE
       2    HEARD IN THIS TRIAL THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE HEARD AGAIN IN
       3    THE FUTURE.
       4         I'VE HEARD PEOPLE GET UP WHEN THEY MAKE OBJECTIONS WHEN
       5    THE JURY IS PRESENT AND BASICALLY MAKE AN ARGUMENT.  THOSE
       6    ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN BASICALLY TENDERED ON, WELL, YOU DID IT
       7    FOR THE DEFENDANT, YOU BETTER DO IT FOR US OR YOU AIN'T
       8    BEING FAIR.  ANOTHER ONE, BASED UPON THE COURT'S RULINGS I
       9    HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.  I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE COMMENTS
      10    LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BASICALLY, IS ARGUING
      11    TO THE COURT -- ARGUING TO THE JURORS, OH, WELL, IF THE
      12    JUDGE WOULD LET ME ASK THESE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD REALLY GET
      13    SOME GOOD STUFF.
      14         I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR THE WORDS HAMSTRUNG BY ATTORNEYS.
      15    I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR THE WORDS THROWN A CURVE BY THE
      16    ATTORNEYS.  YOU KNOW, YOU PEOPLE ARE PROFESSIONALS.  YOU CAN
      17    ALL ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, MAKE YOUR OBJECTIONS, AND MAKE YOUR
      18    OBJECTIONS THE WAY OBJECTIONS SHOULD BE MADE.  THEY ARE NOT
      19    SPEECHES TO THE VICTIMS, NOT SPEECHES TO THE DOCTOR'S
      20    FRIENDS, NOT SPEECHES TO THE JURY, THEY ARE ADDRESSED TO ME.
      21    MAKE THEM ON LEGAL GROUNDS AND MAKE THEM THAT WAY.  IF YOU
      22    MAKE SPEECHES ABOUT YOU'RE DOING IT FOR ONE SIDE, YOU'RE NOT
      23    DOING IT FOR ME; YOU'RE HAMSTRINGING ME AND NOT DOING IT TO
      24    THEM, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROPER AND I WILL DEAL WITH IT.
      25    I'M GOING TO DEAL WITH IT SEVERELY.  I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A


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       1    MISTRIAL THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS CASE ON THE BASIS OF
       2    SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING.
       3         THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE PERFECTLY CLEAR IS
       4    THAT I THINK WE'VE HAD AN EXCEPTIONAL JURY.  IF YOU LOOK AT
       5    THESE PEOPLE, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE OR FOUR WEEKS NOW
       6    AND HAVE STAYED AWAKE, HAVE BEEN ALERT.  THEY HAVE DONE WHAT
       7    THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.  IT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE MOCKERY OF
       8    JUSTICE TO HAVE THEM BE HERE ALL THIS TIME AND THEN NOT
       9    DELIBERATE THIS CASE.
      10         I'M NOT GOING TO ISSUE ANY SORT OF SANCTIONS AS A
      11    RESULT OF THIS MOTION, BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY IS THAT
      12    FROM NOW ON MAKE YOUR OBJECTIONS, MAKE THEM ON THE RECORD.
      13    IT IS NOT A LEGAL GROUND TO SAY THAT YOU DID IT FOR THE
      14    OTHER SIDE SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR ME.  THAT'S NOT A LEGAL
      15    GROUND.  STATE THE GROUND, EITHER NO FOUNDATION, IRRELEVANT,
      16    WHATEVER THE GROUND IS.  LET'S DO IT THAT WAY.
      17         EVERYBODY HAS BEEN -- I UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE END OF
      18    THE DAY WE'VE ALL KIND OF BLANKED OUT AT VARIOUS POINTS
      19    BECAUSE OF HOW TIRING AND TRYING THIS CASE IS.  NOBODY KNOWS
      20    IT MORE THAN THE COURT PERSONNEL AND THE ATTORNEYS IN THIS
      21    CASE.  IT IS A TOUGH, TOUGH, CASE.  BUT LET'S NOT DO
      22    ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE IT SO THAT THIS CASE IS GOING TO
      23    HAVE TO BE REDONE AGAIN.  LET'S DO IT NOW AND LET'S GET
      24    THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
      25         REMEMBER, AND I WANT TO TELL ALL THE ATTORNEYS, THIS


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       1    JURY HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.  THEY'VE HEARD A LOT OF
       2    THINGS.  LET'S GET TO THE POINT, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, ON
       3    DIRECT EXAMINATION, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ON CROSS-EXAMINATION.
       4    MAKE YOUR POINTS.  LET'S GET ANOTHER WITNESS IN HERE AND GET
       5    THIS DONE.  THE JURY, YOU KNOW, IS ONLY GOING TO BE GOOD FOR
       6    SO LONG.  I THINK THEY'VE BEEN WONDERFUL, BUT WHEN WE GET
       7    PAST SIX WEEKS THEY WON'T BE SO WONDERFUL.
       8         ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE BRING THE JURY IN?
       9             MR. STIRBA:  NO, YOUR HONOR.
      10             MS. BARLOW:  WE HAVE NOTHING.
      11             THE COURT:  OKAY.  ASK THE JURY TO COME IN AND
      12    WE'LL ASK THE WITNESS TO TAKE THE STAND.
      13                         (JURY RETURNED TO THE COURTROOM.)
      14             THE COURT:  THE JURY HAS RETURNED.  WE WILL ASK
      15    THAT -- GO AHEAD, MR. STIRBA.
      16             MR. STIRBA:  YES, YOUR HONOR, THANK YOU.
      17                  DIRECT EXAMINATION, CONT'D
      18    BY MR. STIRBA: 
      19    Q.  DOCTOR, IF YOU COULD, ONCE AGAIN, IN YOUR WHITE BINDER
      20    TURN TO THE MARY CRANE SECTION.  I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR
      21    ATTENTION TO THE BACK OF THAT SECTION.  THERE IS A RECORD
      22    FROM ALTA VIEW HOSPITAL.  IT HAS A NUMBER A.V.H. AND THEN
      23    FOUR THROUGH SIX.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
      24    A.  I DO.
      25    Q.  DID YOU USE THAT HISTORICAL RECORD FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR


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       1    OPINION AS TO MARY CRANE'S CAUSE OF DEATH?
       2    A.  I DID.
       3    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHY THAT WAS IMPORTANT?
       4    A.  I WILL.  IN MARCH OF '94 THE PATIENT PRESENTED AT THE
       5    EMERGENCY ROOM AT ALTA VIEW HOSPITAL AND WAS FOUND TO HAVE
       6    AN ACUTE INFECTION, URINARY TRACT INFECTION.
       7         HER CONDITION WAS SUCH THAT THE EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN'S
       8    DIAGNOSIS WAS ONE OF RULE OUT OR LIKELY SEPSIS.  WHAT THIS
       9    INDICATES TO ME IS THAT THE PATIENT'S PREEXISTING MEDICAL
      10    PROBLEMS WERE OF SUCH MAGNITUDE THAT SHE HAD A PROPENSITY TO
      11    BECOME SEPTIC FROM AN INFECTION.  SO THIS MADE IT ALL THE
      12    MORE LIKELY THAT IN '95, DURING THIS HOSPITALIZATION, SEPSIS
      13    WOULD RESULT FROM ANOTHER INFECTION.
      14    Q.  DOCTOR, WHAT IS ASPIRATION PNEUMONIA?
      15    A.  ASPIRATION PNEUMONIA OCCURS WHEN STOMACH CONTENTS ARE
      16    REGURGITATED AND INHALED INTO THE LUNGS.
      17    Q.  AND DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT MARY
      18    CRANE SUFFERED PNEUMONIA, OR ASPIRATION PNEUMONIA?
      19    A.  I DO.
      20    Q.  AND TELL US WHAT THAT IS?
      21    A.  SHE MAY HAVE SUFFERED AN ASPIRATION, BUT IN MY OPINION
      22    SHE DID NOT SUFFER A PNEUMONIA FROM SUCH ASPIRATION.
      23    Q.  AND EXPLAIN TO US THE DIFFERENCE, PLEASE.
      24    A.  I WILL.  WHEN ASPIRATION OCCURS FOOD PARTICLES OR
      25    STOMACH CONTENTS CAN ENTER THE LUNG.  SOMETIMES THIS WILL


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       1    RESULT IN INFILTRATES, FLUID APPEARING IN THE LUNG, AND
       2    SUBSEQUENT INFECTION.  AT OTHER TIMES IT WON'T.  IN THIS
       3    PARTICULAR CASE CHEST X-RAYS WERE OBTAINED SHOWING THAT
       4    THERE WERE NO INFILTRATES.  THEREFORE, THERE WAS NOT A
       5    PNEUMONIA IF IN FACT ASPIRATION OCCURRED.
       6    Q.  NOW, I'LL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION ONCE AGAIN, IN THE
       7    SECTION IN FRONT OF YOU, AT MED 270, 271 AND 272.  THEY'RE
       8    SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE MATERIALS.  DO YOU HAVE
       9    THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU?
      10    A.  I DO.
      11    Q.  AND ARE THOSE THE REPORTS OF THE X-RAYS THAT YOU WERE
      12    JUST TESTIFYING ABOUT?
      13    A.  CORRECT.  THERE WAS A CHEST X-RAY ON 12/29.  ANOTHER ONE
      14    ON 1/5.  A THIRD ON 1/7.  NONE OF THOSE SHOW ANY EVIDENCE OF
      15    INFILTRATES THAT WOULD BE DIAGNOSTIC OR CONSISTENT WITH AN
      16    ASPIRATION PNEUMONIA.
      17    Q.  NOW, IF YOU WOULD TURN TO THE NEXT SECTION IN THE BINDER
      18    WHICH RELATES TO PATIENT JUDITH LARSEN.
      19    A.  (WITNESS COMPLIED.)
      20    Q.  DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU NOW?
      21    A.  I DO.
      22    Q.  DOCTOR, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW
      23    OF THE RECORDS CONCERNING PATIENT LARSEN AND HER MEDICAL
      24    HISTORY, AS TO HER CAUSE OF DEATH ON JANUARY 3RD OF 1996?
      25    A.  I DO.


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       1    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
       2    A.  MY OPINION IS THAT MRS. LARSEN DIED FROM A COMBINATION
       3    OF PREEXISTING MEDICAL CONDITIONS, SUPERIMPOSED ON AN
       4    EPISODE OF GI BLEEDING IN THE HOSPITAL.
       5    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER MORPHINE CAUSED OR
       6    CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH?
       7    A.  I DO.
       8    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
       9    A.  MY OPINION IS THAT MORPHINE NEITHER CAUSED NOR
      10    CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEATH.
      11    Q.  NOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT A COMPLICATION OF, I BELIEVE --
      12    YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T SAY MEDICAL HISTORY, BUT CIRCUMSTANCES.
      13    IF YOU COULD TURN TO THE FIRST PAGE, PLEASE, OF THE
      14    MATERIALS, WHICH IS A REPORT OF CONSULTATION BY DR.
      15    DIENHART.  DO YOU SEE "PAST MEDICAL HISTORY"?
      16    A.  I DO.
      17    Q.  HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE?
      18    A.  I HAVE.
      19    Q.  AND IS IT SIGNIFICANT, FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION, AS
      20    TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH?
      21    A.  IT IS.
      22    Q.  AND GENERALLY TELL US WHY THAT IS?
      23    A.  MRS. LARSEN HAD SUFFERED ALL KINDS OF SEVERE MEDICAL
      24    PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.  SHE'D HAD AT LEAST THREE DOCUMENTED
      25    STROKES, ONE OF WHICH WAS VERY LARGE.  SHE HAD A HISTORY OF


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       1    QUITE SIGNIFICANT HEART DISEASE.  SHE HAD HER THYROID OUT.
       2    SHE'D HAD VARIOUS GASTROINTESTINAL PROBLEMS.  IN MY OPINION
       3    SHE WAS LIVING ON BORROWED TIME WHEN SHE ENTERED THE
       4    HOSPITAL.
       5    Q.  IS THERE SOME SUPPORT FOR, IN THE HISTORY THAT YOU
       6    REVIEWED, YOUR STATEMENT THAT SHE WAS LIVING ON BORROWED
       7    TIME?
       8    A.  WELL, THERE IS.  THIS LADY HAD SUFFERED STROKES IN THE
       9    PAST FROM WHICH THE TREATING PHYSICIANS WERE CONCERNED THAT
      10    SHE WOULD NOT RECOVER.
      11    Q.  LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BACK OF THE
      12    MATERIALS IN THE BACK OF THE SECTION -- THE SEGMENT, RATHER.
      13    SPECIFICALLY YOU'LL SEE THERE'S SOME COTTONWOOD HOSPITAL
      14    RECORDS?
      15    A.  YES.
      16    Q.  AND THEY START TOWARDS THE END AND THEY HAVE VARIOUS
      17    NUMBERS ON THEM, BUT SPECIFICALLY I WOULD DIRECT YOUR
      18    ATTENTION TO A DISCHARGE SUMMARY BY DR. PEARCE.  THAT'S C.H.
      19    38 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.  IT'S RIGHT TOWARD THE END.
      20    A.  I HAVE THAT.
      21    Q.  DO YOU RECALL REVIEWING THAT DOCUMENT?
      22    A.  YES.
      23    Q.  AND HOW HAS THAT HISTORY BEEN HELPFUL TO YOU FOR
      24    PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION?
      25    A.  WELL, I THINK THAT IT IS SPELLED OUT IN CLEAR ENGLISH


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       1    THE EXTREMELY DIRE HEALTH SITUATION THAT MRS. LARSEN WAS
       2    EXPERIENCING.  FOR INSTANCE, THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF HER LIFE
       3    HAD BEEN VERY POOR QUALITY.  IN FACT, NO QUALITY AT ALL.
       4    THE FAMILY WANTED NO TREATMENT OF INFECTION, SUCH AS URINARY
       5    INFECTION, PULMONARY, ET CETERA.  I MEAN, IT APPEARS TO ME
       6    THAT THE FAMILY AND THE PHYSICIANS HAD BOTH AT THIS POINT IN
       7    TIME FACED THE UNHAPPY FACT THAT THIS WOMAN WAS GOING TO DIE
       8    VERY SOON.
       9    Q.  NOW, YOU MENTIONED A G.I. BLEED OR A GASTROINTESTINAL
      10    BLEED?
      11    A.  I DID.
      12    Q.  COULD YOU ORIENT US, PLEASE, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF
      13    THE RECORDS, WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE IN THE HOSPITAL
      14    THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
      15    A.  YES.  AT SOME POINT IN TIME DURING THE HOSPITALIZATION,
      16    MRS. LARSEN WAS NOTED TO HAVE VOMITED UP WHAT IS CALLED
      17    COFFEE GROUND EMESIS.  WHEN THERE'S BLEEDING IN THE UPPER
      18    G.I. TRACT OF THE STOMACH, THE FIRST PART OF THE SMALL
      19    INTESTINE, THE BLOOD REMAINS FOR A WHILE AND THEN VOMITS
      20    BACK UP.  IT DOESN'T COME UP RED, IT COMES UP -- THE BEST
      21    DESCRIPTION OF IT IS COFFEE GROUNDS.  IT LOOKS JUST LIKE
      22    COFFEE GROUNDS.  IN FACT, THAT WAS OBSERVED.  WHAT THAT IS
      23    IS THOSE COFFEE GROUNDS REPRESENT BLOOD IN THE STOMACH.
      24         FOLLOWING THAT SHE WAS NOTED TO HAVE WHAT WE CALL
      25    MELENA, WHICH IS A BLACK, TARRY STOOL.  WHAT THAT REPRESENTS


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       1    IS THE BLOOD THAT BLED INTO THE GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT THAT
       2    WASN'T VOMITED UP, BUT RATHER PASSED THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND
       3    CAME OUT IN THE STOOL.  THOSE ARE THE CLASSIC SIGNS YOU
       4    LEARN ON YOUR FIRST DAY OF MEDICAL SCHOOL OF G.I. BLEEDING,
       5    COFFEE GROUND EMESIS AND MELENA.  SHE HAD THEM BOTH.  THERE
       6    IS NO QUESTION AT ALL THAT SHE HAD G.I. BLEEDING.
       7         THE AMOUNT OF BLEEDING WAS EVIDENCE, AT LEAST
       8    INFERENTIALLY, AND A BLOOD COUNT WAS DONE WHICH SHOWED THAT
       9    SHE WAS QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY ANEMIC.  IN MY OPINION, THAT
      10    CONTRIBUTED SUBSTANTIALLY TO HER DEMISE.
      11    Q.  LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION IN THE BINDER TO MED 480.
      12    IT'S AFTER SOME PROGRESS NOTES.  DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT
      13    OF YOU?
      14    A.  I DO.
      15    Q.  THAT WOULD BE, ONCE AGAIN, A REPORT OF A BLOOD TEST?
      16    A.  IT IS.  A BLOOD COUNT.
      17    Q.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT FINDINGS ARE MADE IN THAT
      18    REPORT THAT ARE RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU'VE JUST TESTIFIED TO?
      19    A.  YES.  IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN ON THE FAR LEFT, YOU
      20    WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS H.C.T.  THAT STANDS FOR
      21    HEMATOCRIT.  THAT IS A MEASURE OF THE AMOUNT OF RED BLOOD
      22    CELLS THAT THE PATIENT HAS.
      23         YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE NORMAL RANGE OF HEMATOCRIT IS 36
      24    TO 46 PERCENT.  YOU'LL FURTHER NOTE THAT ON THE ADMISSION
      25    BLOOD TESTING, ON 12/6/95, THE HEMATOCRIT WAS 41.2 PERCENT.


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       1    FOLLOWING THE EPISODE OF G.I. BLEEDING, WHEN THEY RECHECKED
       2    IT, IT WAS 30.2 PERCENT.  SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS
       3    PATIENT HAD LOST 25 PERCENT OF HER RED CELLS BETWEEN 12/6/95
       4    AND 12/26/95.  SHE'D LOST THEM WHEN SHE -- SHE'D LOST THEM
       5    INTO HER G.I. TRACT WHEN SHE BLED INTO THE STOMACH, WHICH
       6    SHE LATER VOMITED UP AND PASSED IN HER STOOL.
       7    Q.  WHAT EFFECT DID THE G.I. BLEED HAVE IN TERMS OF HER
       8    OVERALL MEDICAL SITUATION?
       9    A.  THE FUNCTION OF RED BLOOD CELLS IS TO CARRY OXYGEN TO
      10    THE TISSUES.  THE LESS RED BLOOD CELLS YOU HAVE THE LESS
      11    ABILITY THE BODY HAS TO DELIVER OXYGEN TO THE TISSUES,
      12    WHATEVER THE STATUS OF THE HEART, WHICH WASN'T NORMAL IN
      13    THIS CASE, IS.  THEREFORE, EVEN ASSUMING SHE HAD NORMAL
      14    CARDIOVASCULAR FUNCTION, WHICH SHE DIDN'T, HER ABILITY TO
      15    DELIVER OXYGEN TO THE CRITICAL TISSUES, TO THE HEART AND TO
      16    THE LUNGS AND TO THE BRAIN, WAS SEVERELY DIMINISHED.
      17    Q.  DOES THAT DIMINISHMENT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU, IN
      18    TERMS OF YOUR OPINION, AS TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH?
      19    A.  YES.  I THINK IT WAS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.
      20    Q.  AND WHY SO?
      21    A.  BECAUSE OF THE EXPLANATION I JUST STATED.  THE OXYGEN
      22    CARRYING ABILITY OF THE BLOOD HAD BEEN DIMINISHED TO A
      23    CRITICAL LEVEL.  THAT, SUPERIMPOSED ON THE HEART DISEASE AND
      24    ALL THE PREVIOUS STROKES, MEANT THAT SHE WASN'T GETTING
      25    SUFFICIENT OXYGEN TO HER VITAL ORGANS.  WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN


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       1    A PATIENT WITH THIS AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS, IT USUALLY RESULTS
       2    IN THEIR DEMISE.
       3    Q.  WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN, OR IS THERE, A TIME LAPSE BETWEEN
       4    THE TIME SOMEBODY ACTUALLY IS BLEEDING AND THERE IS EVIDENCE
       5    OF THAT BLEEDING IN TERMS OF VOMITUS MATERIAL OR MELENA?
       6    A.  THERE CAN BE.
       7    Q.  AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT WOULD BE?
       8    A.  IT TAKES AN AMOUNT OF TIME FOR MATERIAL TO MOVE THROUGH
       9    THE G.I. TRACT, WHICH IS 25 OR 30 FEET LONG OF INTESTINE AND
      10    SO FORTH.  IT'S VERY TYPICAL THAT FROM THE TIME OF BLEEDING
      11    UNTIL THE TIME THAT THAT BLOOD MOVES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE
      12    SMALL INTESTINE AND LARGE INTESTINE AND COMES OUT THE
      13    RECTUM, IT WILL TAKE A DAY OR TWO.
      14    Q.  SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE I BELIEVE THE HOSPITAL
      15    RECORDS REFLECT THAT SHE STARTED GETTING ILL ON THE 29TH OF
      16    DECEMBER.  THE TEST RESULT THAT YOU JUST IDENTIFIED IS ON
      17    THE 26TH?
      18    A.  CORRECT.
      19    Q.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE HEMATOCRITS WOULD BE LOW AT THAT
      20    POINT EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS NOT ACTUALLY VOMITING UNTIL THE
      21    29TH?
      22    A.  THE BLOOD LOSS HAD ALREADY OCCURRED.  THE BLOOD LOSS
      23    FROM THE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM HAD OCCURRED.  ONCE THE BLOOD IS
      24    LOST FROM THE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, IT'S MEASURABLE IN TERMS
      25    OF A DECREASED HEMATOCRIT.  HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO


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       1    ACTUALLY SEE IT COME OUT, COME OUT THE OTHER END, IT'S GONE
       2    FROM THE CIRCULATION AND THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.
       3    Q.  NOW, IF YOU'LL TURN TO MED 489, WHICH IS A REPORT FROM,
       4    IT LOOKS LIKE, C.T. HEAD.  IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE LAB REPORT
       5    YOU JUST TESTIFIED CONCERNING.  CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT
       6    IS?
       7    A.  IT'S A REPORT FROM A C.T. SCAN OF THE BRAIN, OF THE
       8    HEAD, THAT WAS PERFORMED ON THE PATIENT ON THE 26TH OF
       9    DECEMBER.
      10    Q.  I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE IMPRESSION
      11    SECTION AND THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THERE THAT SAYS "THE LEFT
      12    FRONTAL LOBE REGION MAY SHOW SOME MINIMAL INCREASE IN
      13    DENSITY, WHICH MAY REFLECT SOME LUXURY PROFUSION, WHICH MAY
      14    REFLECT A MORE OF A SUBACUTE TYPE PROCESS.  CLINICAL
      15    CORRELATION IS RECOMMENDED."  DID YOU REVIEW THAT RECORD FOR
      16    PURPOSES OF OPINING AS YOU HAVE?
      17    A.  I DID.
      18    Q.  AND DID IT HAVE SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU IN TERMS OF YOUR
      19    OPINION?
      20    A.  IT DID.
      21    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO?
      22    A.  IT REFLECTS A COUPLE OF THINGS.  IT REFLECTS THAT THE
      23    PATIENT HAD SUFFERED STROKES IN THE PAST.  HOWEVER, SHE HAD
      24    FINDINGS THAT WERE CONSISTENT NOT WITH THOSE PAST STROKES,
      25    BUT RATHER WITH A MORE RECENT STROKE; A STROKE THAT WAS


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       1    OCCURRING SHORTLY BEFORE OR IN PROCESS AT THE TIME THAT THIS
       2    EXAM OCCURRED.  THAT'S WHAT'S REFERRED TO BY THE LUXURY
       3    PROFUSION AND THE MORE SUBACUTE PROCESS.
       4         SO THIS C.T. SCAN, TO ME, STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT ON TOP
       5    OF AT LEAST THREE PRIOR STROKES, MRS. LARSEN SUFFERED YET
       6    ANOTHER STROKE SHORTLY BEFORE HER DEATH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
       7    OF THE 26TH OF DECEMBER, 1995.
       8    Q.  THEN THERE'S AN E.K.G. REPORT AFTER THAT REPORT YOU JUST
       9    TESTIFIED TO, MED 490.  DO YOU HAVE THAT?
      10    A.  I DO.
      11    Q.  AND IT REPORTS, IT SAYS, "ABNORMAL E.K.G., LEFT ANTERIOR
      12    FISTICULAR BLOCK."  DID THAT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU
      13    FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOUR OPINION?
      14    A.  IT DID.
      15    Q.  TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO?
      16    A.  THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OF THE HEART CONSISTS BASICALLY OF
      17    THREE BRANCHES.  ONE OF THE THREE IS THE LEFT ANTERIOR
      18    FASCICLE.  IF DISEASE OCCURS IN THE CONDUCTING SYSTEM, THEN
      19    THAT FASCICLE, OR ONE OF THE OTHER TWO WHICH CONDUCTS
      20    ELECTRICITY THROUGH THE HEART, CAN BE BLOCKED AND THEY'LL NO
      21    LONGER CONDUCT THE IMPULSE.  WHAT THAT BASICALLY MEANS IS
      22    THAT THIS PATIENT IS AT RISK FOR THE HEART TO SIMPLY STOP
      23    BEATING, STOP CONDUCTING ELECTRICITY.  SHE'S AT RISK, ON THE
      24    BASIS OF THAT, OF SUFFERING A SUDDEN CARDIAC DEATH.
      25    Q.  IS THERE A NAME FOR THAT KIND OF DEATH?


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       1    A.  ONE WOULD CALL IT AN ARRHYTHMIA OR DYSRHYTHMIA.
       2    Q.  AND CAN YOU JUST TELL US, BRIEFLY, WHAT ARRHYTHMIA IS?
       3    A.  YES.  IT OCCURS WHEN THE ELECTRICAL CONDUCTING SYSTEM OF
       4    THE HEART STOPS CONDUCTING ELECTRICITY.  I COULD MAKE AN
       5    ANALOGY.  IN YOUR AUTOMOBILE, IF THE WIRE FROM THE
       6    DISTRIBUTOR TO THE SPARK PLUG IS BROKEN OR CUT OR SOMETHING
       7    LIKE THAT, THE JUICE DOESN'T GET FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR TO THE
       8    CYLINDER AND DOESN'T FIRE.  WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN THE HEART,
       9    THE HEART DOESN'T BEAT, DOESN'T PUMP, THE PATIENT DIES.
      10    Q.  IF YOU WOULD TURN, PLEASE, TO THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS
      11    MR. ALLDREDGE.
      12    A.  YES.
      13    Q.  YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE REVIEWED VARIOUS RECORDS
      16    CONCERNING MR. ALLDREDGE FOR PURPOSES OF RENDERING AN
      17    OPINION IN THIS CASE, IS THAT RIGHT?
      18    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      19    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION, DOCTOR, AS TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH
      20    OF ENNIS ALLDREDGE?
      21    A.  I DO.
      22    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
      23    A.  MY OPINION IS THAT THIS PATIENT SUFFERED A CEREBRAL
      24    VASCULAR ACCIDENT.  IN OTHER WORDS, A STROKE DURING THE
      25    HOSPITALIZATION.  THAT CEREBRAL VASCULAR ACCIDENT,


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       1    SUPERIMPOSED ON HIS LONG-STANDING INSULIN DEPENDENT DIABETES
       2    AND KNOWN HEART DISEASE, CAUSED HIS DEMISE.
       3    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER MORPHINE PLAYED A
       4    ROLE IN CAUSING OR CONTRIBUTING TO HIS DEATH?
       5    A.  I DO.
       6    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
       7    A.  MY OPINION IS THAT MORPHINE DID NOT CAUSE OR CONTRIBUTE
       8    TO THIS PATIENT'S DEATH.
       9    Q.  NOW, IF YOU'LL TURN TO THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT SECTION.
      10    IT'S ONCE AGAIN A REPORT OF CONSULTATION.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
      11    A.  I DO.
      12    Q.  DID YOU REVIEW THAT FOR PURPOSES OF RENDERING YOUR
      13    OPINION?
      14    A.  I DID.
      15    Q.  AND WAS THE INFORMATION THERE SIGNIFICANT TO YOU WITH
      16    RESPECT TO YOUR OPINION?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO AND WHAT INFORMATION?
      19    A.  THIS GENTLEMAN HAD A NUMBER OF SEVERE MEDICAL PROBLEMS
      20    THAT WERE LONG STANDING, ANY ONE OF WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN
      21    SUFFICIENT TO CAUSE HIS DEATH.  HE HAD HAD CORONARY ARTERY
      22    BYPASS SURGERY WAY BACK IN 1982.  SO JUST ON THE BASIS OF
      23    THAT, EVEN WITHOUT HIS DIABETES AND WITHOUT HIS OTHER
      24    MEDICAL PROBLEMS, AT HIS AGE HE HAD OUTLIVED HIS LIFE
      25    EXPECTANCY JUST BASED UPON THAT CARDIAC CONDITION, ON HIS


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       1    BYPASS GRAPH THOSE YEARS AGO.  HE WAS AN INSULIN DEPENDENT
       2    DIABETIC OF LONG STANDING.  MOST DIABETICS DON'T LIVE AS
       3    LONG AS THIS GENTLEMAN DID WITH THAT CONDITION.  HE HAD --
       4    Q.  I'LL STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.  YOU SAY INSULIN DEPENDENT
       5    DIABETIC.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS AND WHY THAT IS
       6    SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF LONGEVITY?
       7    A.  YES.  THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO KINDS OF DIABETES.  IN THE
       8    OLD DAYS, WHEN I WENT TO MEDICAL SCHOOL, THEY CALLED IT
       9    JUVENILE ONSET OR ADULT ONSET OR INSULIN DEPENDANT OR
      10    NONINSULIN DEPENDANT.  THE PRESENT TERMINOLOGY IS TYPE ONE
      11    AND TYPE TWO.
      12         THE KIND THAT IS INSULIN DEPENDENT CARRIES A MUCH MORE
      13    GRAVE PROGNOSIS THAN THE NONINSULIN DEPENDENT DIABETIC.  THE
      14    DIABETICS WHO ARE INSULIN DEPENDENT SUFFER THE COMPLICATIONS
      15    THAT WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT WITH DIABETICS.  THAT IS, LOSS OF
      16    VISION, LOSS OF THEIR KIDNEYS, SMALL VESSEL CIRCULATORY
      17    DISEASE.  THOSE ARE UNFORTUNATE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY
      18    COMPLICATIONS OF DIABETES.  THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AND MOST
      19    DIABETICS ULTIMATELY DIE OF THOSE COMPLICATIONS.  THAT'S
      20    WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAD.
      21    Q.  IF YOU WOULD CONTINUE, I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO
      22    SOME OTHER DATA ON THAT REPORT WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANT TO YOU?
      23    A.  HE HAD A QUITE UNUSUAL MULTI SYSTEM DISEASE CALLED
      24    MYCOSIS FUNGOIDES.  THIS IS AN UNCOMMON TO RARE DISEASE.  I
      25    MEAN, MUCH LESS COMMON THAN THE DIABETES AND HEART DISEASE


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       1    AND STROKES AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS.  I'VE SEEN LESS
       2    THAN A HANDFUL OF CASES OF THIS IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
       3         DR. DIENHART'S CONSULTATION INDICATES THAT HE WAS END
       4    STAGE FROM THIS MYCOSIS FUNGOIDES.  IN OTHER WORDS, HE WAS
       5    AT DEATH'S DOOR FROM THAT ALONE.  THAT'S WHAT END STAGE
       6    MEANS, IS YOU'RE AT THE END.
       7    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT DISEASE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?
       8    A.  WELL, IT'S A DISEASE THAT AFFECTS LITERALLY ALL THE
       9    ORGANS IN THE BODY.  IT CAUSES GENERAL DETERIORATION.  HE'D
      10    IN FACT HAD TOTAL BODY IRRADIATION AT ONE POINT.  THEY'D
      11    GIVEN HIM THERAPEUTIC RADIATION AND RADIATED HIS ENTIRE
      12    BODY.
      13    Q.  WHAT ELSE ON THAT REPORT, IF ANYTHING, WAS SIGNIFICANT
      14    TO YOU FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION?
      15    A.  WELL, HE HAD HYPERTENSION, HE HAD HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE.
      16    HE HAD AN ELECTROCARDIOGRAM THAT WAS ABNORMAL.  IT SHOWED
      17    THAT HE HAD A THICKENED LEFT VENTRICLE.  THAT'S WHAT L.V.H.
      18    REFERS TO THERE:  LEFT VENTRICULAR HYPERTROPHY.  HE HAD
      19    ABNORMAL S.T.T. WAVES IN HIS ELECTROCARDIOGRAM.  I MEAN, HE
      20    HAD EVIDENCE OF OLD MYOCARDIAL INFARCTIONS, HEART ATTACKS,
      21    ON HIS E.K.G.  SO HE HAD -- I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMAN WAS
      22    TREMENDOUSLY COMPROMISED.  ADDITIONALLY, HE HAD
      23    HYPOTHYROIDISM, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROBLEM.  HE HAD A LOT
      24    WRONG WITH HIM.
      25    Q.  NOW, I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION, IF WE CAN FLIP


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       1    PAST SOME PROGRESS NOTES TO, I THINK IT'S MED -- ACTUALLY,
       2    LET'S START WITH MED 22, WHICH IS ANOTHER LAB REPORT.
       3    A.  I SEE THAT.
       4    Q.  I'M DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION SPECIFICALLY TO THE FINDING
       5    OF G.L.U., WHICH IS AT 162 ON 1/10/96, THE DATE OF HIS
       6    ADMISSION.  WHAT DOES THAT FINDING REPRESENT?
       7    A.  IT'S HIS BLOOD SUGAR.  THE G.L.U. STANDS FOR GLUCOSE.
       8    IT'S HIS BLOOD SUGAR, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT IS ELEVATED AT
       9    THAT TIME.
      10    Q.  WHEN YOU SAY YOU WOULD EXPECT IT, WHY DO YOU EXPECT IT?
      11    A.  BECAUSE OF HIS DIABETES.  EVEN WITH TREATMENT MOST
      12    DIABETICS WILL RUN AN ELEVATED BLOOD SUGAR.
      13    Q.  AND THEN THE NEXT REPORT, WHICH IS THE NEXT PAGE, 23,
      14    THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FINDING ON 1/13 OF '96 THAT SAYS
      15    G.L.U. IS AT 226.  SO IT'S HIGHER THAN THE FIRST DAY?
      16    A.  RIGHT.
      17    Q.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FINDING?
      18    A.  YES.  HIS DIABETES IS UNDER WORSE CONTROL, AND THAT'S
      19    NOT UNEXPECTED.  HE'S HAD DETERIORATION OF HIS CONDITION AND
      20    IT PLACES GREATER STRESS ON THE BODY AND WILL GENERALLY
      21    CAUSE ELEVATION OF THE BLOOD SUGAR.  THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH
      22    WHAT WAS GOING ON.  HIS KIDNEYS WERE ALSO BEGINNING TO FAIL.
      23    HIS B.U.N. WAS ELEVATED TO 22.
      24    Q.  NOW, THERE'S ALSO THE NEXT PAGE, MED 27.  DO YOU SEE
      25    THAT?


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       1    A.  YES.
       2    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT?
       3    A.  IT'S A REPORT OF AN M.R.I. SCAN OF THE BRAIN THAT WAS
       4    PERFORMED IN THE HOSPITAL ON JANUARY 12TH, '96.
       5    Q.  AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DID THAT HAVE TO YOU IN TERMS OF
       6    YOUR OPINION?
       7    A.  LET ME STATE THAT NOT ONLY DID I REVIEW THIS REPORT --
       8             MR. MAJOR:  WE'LL OBJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  I
       9    DON'T THINK HE'S QUALIFIED, OR HAS BEEN QUALIFIED, AS AN
      10    EXPERT TO DISCUSS WHETHER HE HAS LOOKED AT X-RAYS OR WHETHER
      11    HE HAS EXAMINED THOSE X-RAYS.  THE FOUNDATION FOR WHERE HE'S
      12    COMING FROM.
      13             THE COURT:  CAN YOU REPHRASE THE QUESTION?
      14             MR. STIRBA:  YES.  I ASKED HIM IF THIS REPORT WAS
      15    SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF HIS OPINION.  THAT WAS THE QUESTION
      16    I ASKED.
      17             THE WITNESS:  THE ANSWER IS YES.
      18    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  TELL US, PLEASE, WHY?
      19    A.  THE REPORT RAISES THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS PATIENT HAS
      20    SUFFERED AN ACUTE STROKE, A CEREBRAL VASCULAR ACCIDENT.
      21    THERE ARE ABNORMALITIES ON THE M.R.I. THAT THE RADIOLOGIST
      22    IS SUSPICIOUS REPRESENTS AN ACUTE STROKE INVOLVING THE
      23    OCCIPITAL AREA OF THE BRAIN.
      24    Q.  HAVE YOU RELIED ON OR REVIEWED ANY OTHER MATERIAL --
      25             MR. MAJOR:  OBJECTION.  IT HASN'T BEEN INTRODUCED


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       1    INTO EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
       2             THE COURT:  I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.  LET'S HEAR
       3    THE QUESTION FIRST.
       4             MR. STIRBA:  HAS HE RELIED ON OR REVIEWED ANY OTHER
       5    MATERIAL RELEVANT TO THIS REPORT.  I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING IT
       6    UP IN A RECESS, YOUR HONOR.
       7             THE COURT:  OKAY.
       8    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  IF YOU'LL TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE,
       9    DOCTOR.  WHAT IS THAT?
      10    A.  I'M SORRY.  I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO THE NEXT
      11    PATIENT.
      12    Q.  I'M SORRY.  IT'S 37, MED 37.  IT'S THE NEXT PAGE AFTER
      13    THE M.R.I. REPORT.
      14    A.  ALL RIGHT.  THIS IS A COPY OF AN ELECTROCARDIOGRAM THAT
      15    WAS PERFORMED ON MR. ALLDREDGE ON JANUARY 10TH, IT WOULD
      16    APPEAR.
      17    Q.  AND WHAT FINDINGS ARE MADE CONCERNING THAT TEST?
      18    A.  THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ABNORMAL FINDINGS.  HE HAS WHAT'S
      19    CALLED A FIRST DEGREE A.V. BLOCK.  THIS IS YET ANOTHER KIND
      20    OF ELECTRICAL CONDUCTION SYSTEM DISTURBANCE IN THE HEART.
      21    THE A.V. NODE IS THE PART OF THE HEART WHERE THE ELECTRICAL
      22    IMPULSE IS TRANSMITTED FROM THE PACEMAKER DOWN TO THE
      23    VENTRICLES AND THERE WAS A BLOCK IN THAT.  THAT ALONE CAN BE
      24    A CAUSE OF SUDDEN DEATH.
      25         HE HAD LEFT VENTRICULAR HYPERTROPHY, WHICH MEANS THAT


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       1    THE WALL OF HIS LEFT VENTRICLE, THE PUMP, WAS THICKENED, WAS
       2    DYSFUNCTIONAL.  HE HAD EVIDENCE OF A PREVIOUS HEART ATTACK.
       3    WHERE IT SAYS INFERIOR INFARCT, AGE UNDETERMINED, WHAT THAT
       4    MEANS IS THAT HE'S HAD A HEART ATTACK THAT INVOLVES THE
       5    INFERIOR WALL, THE BOTTOM WALL, IF YOU WILL, OF THE HEART.
       6         HE HAD A PROLONGED Q.T. INTERVAL WHICH HAS TO DO WITH
       7    REPOLARIZATION.  ANOTHER ELECTRICAL CONDUCTING SYSTEM
       8    ABNORMALITY.  HE HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIS CONDUCTING SYSTEM,
       9    WITH HIS HEART MUSCLE.  HIS HEART WAS IN BAD SHAPE.
      10    Q.  THE FINDINGS REFLECTED THERE THAT YOU'VE TESTIFIED TO,
      11    ARE THEY CONSISTENT -- ARE THEY SIGNIFICANT FOR PURPOSES OF
      12    YOUR OPINION AS TO CAUSE OF DEATH?
      13    A.  THEY ARE.
      14    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO?
      15    A.  WELL, WHAT THEY BASICALLY MEAN IS THAT THIS -- HIS HEART
      16    WAS SUBJECT TO STOPPING -- TO STOP WORKING, BASICALLY, AT
      17    ANY POINT IN TIME.  ANY ADDITIONAL INSULT COULD HAVE
      18    RESULTED IN -- USING COMMON PARLANCE, THE CLOCK STOPPED
      19    TICKING.  I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
      20    Q.  NOW, IF YOU WOULD GO TO MED 38, THERE'S ANOTHER E.K.G.
      21    REPORT.  CAN YOU TELL IF THAT'S THE SAME REPORT THAT YOU --
      22    AS YOU JUST TESTIFIED TO OR DOES THAT REPORT DIFFERENT
      23    FINDINGS?
      24    A.  I THINK IT'S THE SAME REPORT.
      25    Q.  OKAY.  AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER REPORT AFTER THAT WHICH


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       1    IS AT MED 39.  IS THAT A DIFFERENT E.K.G. RESULT?
       2    A.  IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT RESULT.  WELL, THE
       3    FINDINGS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.  IT WAS PREPARED AT A
       4    DIFFERENT TIME.
       5    Q.  I NOTICE THE REPORT LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT.  IS THERE ANY
       6    MATERIAL DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE FINDINGS ON THAT REPORT
       7    THAN WHAT YOU JUST TESTIFIED TO?
       8    A.  NO.  THE FINDINGS ARE THE SAME.
       9    Q.  NOW, YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE AUTOPSY REPORT CONCERNING MR.
      10    ALLDREDGE?
      11    A.  YES, I HAVE.
      12    Q.  AND IS THAT REPORT IMPORTANT OR SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR
      13    PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION THAT HE SUFFERED A STROKE?
      14    A.  IT IS.
      15    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, IN WHAT RESPECT IT IS IMPORTANT TO
      16    YOU?
      17    A.  IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WASN'T POSSIBLE FOR THE
      18    PATHOLOGIST TO CONFIRM OR DISCONFIRM THAT THE PATIENT HAD
      19    HAD A STROKE INVOLVING THE LEFT OCCIPUT.  THERE WAS
      20    SIGNIFICANT DECOMPOSITION OF THE BRAIN AT THE TIME OF
      21    AUTOPSY.  I BELIEVE THAT DR. GREY ACTUALLY REFERRED TO THERE
      22    BEING PUDDLING.  WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT NORMAL BRAIN
      23    TISSUE, WHICH IS SOLID, HAD LITERALLY BEEN LIQUIFIED BY
      24    DECOMPOSITION AND THEREFORE THERE WAS NO ANATOMY TO LOOK AT.
      25    ONE COULDN'T REALLY MAKE AN ADEQUATE PATHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSIS


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       1    OF WHAT HAD GONE ON IN THAT ANATOMIC AREA.  THEREFORE, HAD A
       2    STROKE OCCURRED THERE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE FOR
       3    THE PATHOLOGIST TO BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT ON THE BASIS OF
       4    AN AUTOPSY FINDING.
       5    Q.  NOW, IF YOU WOULD TURN THREE OR FOUR PAGES AFTER THOSE
       6    REPORTS, THERE IS ANOTHER WHAT APPEARS TO BE E.K.G. REPORT
       7    ON C.U.N.N. 16.  IT'S AFTER SOME MEDICAL DIRECTIVES OR
       8    MEDICAL TREATMENT PLAN DOCUMENTS.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
       9             MR. MAJOR:  WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT?
      10             MR. STIRBA:  C.U.N.N. 000016.
      11             THE WITNESS:  I SEE THAT.
      12             MR. STIRBA:  IT'S AFTER THE MEDICAL TREATMENT PLAN.
      13    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  HAVE YOU REVIEWED THAT?
      14    A.  I HAVE.
      15    Q.  AND WHAT IS -- FIRST, THE DATE OF THAT IS WHEN?
      16    A.  THE DATE OF THAT IS THE 17TH OF APRIL.  THERE'S A HOLE
      17    IN MY BINDER THAT OBLITERATES THE YEAR.
      18    Q.  THERE'S NOT A HOLE IN MINE.  LET ME JUST SHOW YOU.
      19             MR. STIRBA:  IF I MAY APPROACH?
      20             THE COURT:  YES.
      21             THE WITNESS:  APRIL OF '95.  THE 17TH OF APRIL,
      22    1995.
      23    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  AND WHAT FINDINGS WERE MADE WITH
      24    RESPECT TO THAT E.K.G.?
      25    A.  WELL, IT'S ABNORMAL AGAIN.  THERE'S EVIDENCE OF THE


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       1    INFERIOR INFARCT.  THERE'S VOLTAGE CRITERIA FOR L.V.H.,
       2    ALTHOUGH HERE IT SAYS MAY BE NORMAL VARIANCE.  INTERESTINGLY
       3    ENOUGH, THERE IS T WAVE ABNORMALITIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT
       4    WITH WHAT WE CALL LATERAL ISCHEMIA.
       5    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT?
       6    A.  THE LATERAL PORTION OF THE HEART IS THE SIDE OF THE
       7    HEART, IF YOU WILL, AS OPPOSED TO THE INFERIOR PORTION,
       8    BEING THE BOTTOM.  ISCHEMIA MEANS OXYGEN DEPRIVATION.  WHEN
       9    THE HEART ISN'T GETTING SUFFICIENT OXYGEN THROUGH THE
      10    CORONARY ARTERIES, IT BECOMES ISCHEMIC AND THAT'S REFLECTED
      11    IN E.K.G. CHANGES.  THOSE IN FACT ARE PRESENT HERE.  THE
      12    LATERAL LEADS, WHICH ARE V5 AND V6 AND A.V.L., REPRESENT THE
      13    LATERAL PORTION OF THE HEART.
      14         THE T WAVES THERE ARE UPSIDE DOWN, FLIPPED.  WHEN YOU
      15    SEE UPSIDE DOWN T WAVES THERE, THOSE INDICATE THAT THERE IS
      16    LIKELY ISCHEMIA IN THAT AREA, POSSIBLY EVEN AN ACUTE
      17    INFARCTION GOING ON.  THOSE ARE OF GREAT CONCERN.
      18    Q.  WAS THIS REPORT SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR PURPOSE OF YOUR
      19    OPINION?
      20    A.  YES.
      21    Q.  AND WHY IS THAT?
      22    A.  WELL, IT INDICATES THAT IN ADDITION TO THE INFERIOR
      23    PORTION OF THE HEART, WHICH WAS DAMAGED AND DISEASED BY A
      24    PREVIOUS HEART ATTACK AND TO WHICH THERE WASN'T ADEQUATE
      25    BLOOD SUPPLY, IT INDICATES THAT YET ANOTHER PORTION OF THE


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       1    HEART, THE LATERAL PORTION, WASN'T GETTING ADEQUATE BLOOD.
       2    INADEQUATE ENOUGH TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS ISCHEMIA AND E.K.G.
       3    CHANGES LATERALLY.  THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PARTS OF THE HEART
       4    AND TWO OF THE MAJOR PARTS WEREN'T GETTING BLOOD.
       5    Q.  DID DR. GREY MAKE ANY FINDINGS IN HIS AUTOPSY CONCERNING
       6    THE STATUS OF MR. ALLDREDGE'S CARDIAC SYSTEM?
       7    A.  HE DID.
       8    Q.  AND DO YOU RECALL WHAT THOSE FINDINGS WERE?
       9    A.  I WOULD PREFER TO LOOK BRIEFLY AT A COPY OF THE AUTOPSY
      10    REPORT, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF
      11    NARROWING OF THE CORONARY ARTERIES.
      12    Q.  AND WOULD THE FINDINGS THAT HE MADE BE CONSISTENT WITH
      13    YOUR OPINION IN THIS CASE?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO?
      16    A.  WELL, IT ALL GOES TOGETHER.  WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE
      17    CORONARY ARTERIES BASICALLY ARE LIKE A PIPE.  THE NARROWER
      18    AND MORE OBSTRUCTED THEY GET THE LESS BLOOD GETS TO THE
      19    OTHER END OF THE PIPE.  THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY CAUSES HEART
      20    ATTACKS AND OTHER CARDIAC PROBLEMS, HEART FAILURE, WHATEVER.
      21    Q.  NOW, I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO SOME ADDITIONAL
      22    MATERIALS IN THE SECTION DEALING WITH MR. ALLDREDGE.  IF YOU
      23    COULD FLIP TWO OR THREE PAGES TO A DOCUMENT THAT HAS A
      24    NUMBER DOWN AT THE BOTTOM C.U.N.N. 35.  IT'S AFTER DR.
      25    CUNNINGHAM -- THERE'S SOME ENTRIES FROM DR. CUNNINGHAM'S


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       1    OFFICE.  THERE'S ONE ON JANUARY 4TH OF '96, A REPORT BY HIM.
       2    THEN THERE'S ANOTHER REPORT -- A DOCUMENT AFTER THAT.
       3    A.  HERE WE GO.  C.U.N.N. 35?
       4    Q.  YES.
       5    A.  I SEE IT.
       6    Q.  DO YOU RECALL REVIEWING THAT DOCUMENT?
       7    A.  I DID.
       8    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT DOCUMENT?
       9    A.  THIS DOCUMENT IS A REPORT ON A GLYCOSYLATE.  HERE THEY
      10    CALL IT GLYCATED HEMOGLOBIN.  THE CORRECT TERM IS
      11    GLYCOSYLATED.  THE GLYCOSYLATED HEMOGLOBIN IS A TEST THAT
      12    MEASURES THE DEGREE OF BLOOD SUGAR CONTROL THAT WAS GOING ON
      13    IN THE PATIENT OVER A MORE EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME PRIOR TO
      14    THE TEST BEING DONE.  SO, FOR INSTANCE, IT WILL REPRESENT AN
      15    AVERAGE BLOOD SUGAR DIABETES CONTROL FOR 60 OR 90 DAYS,
      16    AVERAGE, PRIOR TO THE REPORT BEING DONE.
      17    Q.  DID THE REPORT DATA CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT HAVE
      18    RELEVANCE TO YOUR OPINION IN THIS CASE CONCERNING MR.
      19    ALLDREDGE?
      20    A.  IT DID.
      21    Q.  AND WOULD YOU TELL US, PLEASE, HOW IT DID?
      22    A.  HIS GLYCOSYLATED HEMOGLOBIN WAS 12.4.  THAT INDICATES,
      23    AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CONTROL RANGE THAT IS EXPRESSED
      24    UNDERNEATH THE TEST, THAT THIS REPRESENTS POOR CONTROL.  SO
      25    WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT FOR THE 60 OR 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THIS


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       1    TEST BEING DONE ON JANUARY 4TH, 1996, THIS GENTLEMAN'S
       2    DIABETES WAS UNDER VERY POOR CONTROL.
       3    Q.  AND WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE HAD ON HIM?
       4    A.  IT'S JUST SIMPLY GOING TO EXACERBATE OR MAKE WORSE THE
       5    COMBINED EFFECTS OF ALL OF HIS OTHER NUMEROUS MEDICAL
       6    PROBLEMS AND CONTRIBUTE TO HIS RISK OF DEMISE.
       7    Q.  AFTER THAT THERE'S AN ENTRY BY DR. CUNNINGHAM DATED
       8    JANUARY 8 OF 1996.  THEN AFTER THAT THERE ARE A SERIES OF
       9    SOME NURSING HOME RECORDS AND THEY APPEAR TO BE NURSE'S
      10    NOTES.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
      11    A.  YES.
      12    Q.  YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THESE, HAVE YOU NOT?
      13    A.  YES.
      14    Q.  AND WHY DID YOU REVIEW THESE AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DO
      15    THESE HAVE, IF ANYTHING, TO YOUR OPINION AS TO HIS CAUSE OF
      16    DEATH FROM STROKE?
      17    A.  WELL, THIS GIVES -- THESE NOTES GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT
      18    HIS CLINICAL CONDITION WAS DURING THE TIME PERIOD
      19    IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING HIS HOSPITALIZATION AND DEMISE.
      20    Q.  DO YOU RECALL WHAT THEY REFLECT THAT IS SIGNIFICANT TO
      21    YOU FOR PURPOSE OF YOUR OPINION?
      22    A.  WELL, THEY REFLECT A NUMBER OF THINGS.  ONE THING THEY
      23    REFLECT IS THAT HIS DEMENTIA WAS RATHER SEVERE.  IT APPEARS
      24    THAT HE SUFFERED -- HE WAS SUFFERING PROBLEMS WITH HIS
      25    BALANCE AND WITH HIS MENTAL STATUS OVER THIS TIME PERIOD.


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       1    HE HAD MULTIPLE EPISODES WHERE HE HAD FALLEN, WAS FOUND ON
       2    THE FLOOR OF THE ROOM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.  THESE APPEAR TO
       3    BE -- TO REPRESENT A CHANGE IN HIS NEUROLOGIC STATUS FROM
       4    PREVIOUSLY AND, I THINK, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NOTION THAT
       5    HE WAS SUFFERING CEREBRAL VASCULAR INSUFFICIENCY.  IN OTHER
       6    WORDS, HE WASN'T GETTING ENOUGH BLOOD TO HIS BRAIN AND HE
       7    WAS -- HE HAD A STROKE THAT WAS IMPENDING.
       8    Q.  LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO -- IT HAS AT THE BOTTOM
       9    N.H. 00187, WHICH IS TOWARDS THE END.  IT'S A DATE OF
      10    1/4/96.
      11    A.  OKAY.
      12    Q.  DO YOU SEE THAT NURSE'S NOTE ENTRY FROM THE NURSING HOME
      13    ON THAT DATE?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU'LL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE
      16    BOTTOM, AT 2130 HOURS, CAN YOU READ THAT?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  IT SAYS?
      19    A.  "FOUND ON FLOOR IN ROOM.  ONE HALF SIDE RAIL.
      20    COMPLAINING OF PAIN.  HIT HEAD.  ALSO INCREASING ATAXIA ON
      21    THE RIGHT.  SLURRED SPEECH."  I CAN'T READ THE NEXT WORD.
      22    Q.  IT SAYS SOMETHING IN ERROR AND THEN THEY HAVE HIS
      23    VITALS, IS THAT RIGHT?
      24    A.  CORRECT.
      25    Q.  I NOTICE IT LOOKS LIKE THE RESPIRATION RATE IS 16?


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       1    A.  YES.
       2    Q.  IS THERE A SIGNIFICANCE TO YOU, FOR PURPOSE OF YOUR
       3    OPINION, THAT THE NURSE CHARTED ATAXIA?
       4    A.  YES.
       5    Q.  WHAT IS ATAXIA?
       6    A.  ATAXIA MEANS THAT THE PATIENT'S ABILITY TO SENSE THEIR
       7    BALANCE, WHERE THEY ARE IN SPACE, IS ABNORMAL.  IT BASICALLY
       8    MEANS THAT THEY'RE SUFFERING LACK OF COORDINATION AND ARE
       9    STUMBLING ABOUT.  THEY CAN'T REALLY TELL WHERE THEY ARE WITH
      10    RESPECT TO THE GROUND.
      11    Q.  IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU BELIEVE
      12    MEDICALLY MR. ALLDREDGE WAS SUFFERING FROM WHEN HE WAS
      13    ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL?
      14    A.  IT'S CONSISTENT WITH NOT -- IT'S CONSISTENT WITH AN
      15    IMPENDING STROKE.
      16    Q.  AND THEN ALSO IT SAYS -- IT LOOKS LIKE ATAXIA RIGHT.
      17    THERE'S THAT R?
      18    A.  YES.
      19    Q.  AND THEN THE NURSE CHARTS SLURRED SPEECH.  DO YOU SEE
      20    THAT?
      21    A.  YES.
      22    Q.  WHAT DOES THAT SIGNIFY?
      23    A.  IT SIGNIFIES THAT HIS SPEECH HAD BEEN ADVERSELY AFFECTED
      24    AND I THINK THAT THIS IS -- THESE TWO FINDINGS FIT HAND IN
      25    GLOVE WITH THE SUSPICION THAT HE'D HAD A STROKE ON THE LEFT


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       1    SIDE OF HIS BRAIN IN THE OCCIPUT.  THE LEFT SIDE OF THE
       2    BRAIN IS WHERE IT CONTROLS LANGUAGE AND SO WOULD RELATE TO
       3    THE SLURRED SPEECH.  THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BRAIN RELATES TO
       4    MOVEMENT.  THE BACK OF THE BRAIN HELPS CONTROL BALANCE.  SO,
       5    I MEAN, THERE'S A DIRECT CLINICAL CORRELATION BETWEEN THESE
       6    RIGHT SIDED -- THE RIGHT SIDE MOTOR FINDINGS AND THE SPEECH
       7    AND A STROKE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BRAIN.
       8    Q.  NOW, IF YOU COULD TURN TO THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS
       9    PATIENT LYDIA SMITH, PLEASE.
      10    A.  OKAY.
      11    Q.  DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU?
      12    A.  YES.
      13    Q.  DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF HER
      14    RECORDS, AS TO PATIENT LYDIA SMITH'S CAUSE OF DEATH?
      15    A.  I DO.
      16    Q.  AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
      17    A.  I BELIEVE THAT MRS. SMITH DIED AS A RESULT OF A RECENT
      18    STROKE THAT OCCURRED IN NOVEMBER OF '95.  THE SEQUELLA OF
      19    THAT PROBLEM, SUPERIMPOSED ON LONG-STANDING CARDIAC
      20    PROBLEMS, ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN HER INABILITY TO TAKE
      21    FLUIDS, WHICH LED TO DEHYDRATION AND DEATH.
      22    Q.  DO YOU BELIEVE THAT MORPHINE CONTRIBUTED TO OR CAUSED
      23    HER DEATH?
      24    A.  NO.
      25    Q.  NOW, TURN TO THE FIRST ENTRY, WHICH IS MED 179, WHICH IS


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       1    A PROGRESS NOTE.  SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S A WEEKLY R.N.
       2    ADVOCATE NOTE DATED 1/8 OF '96.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
       3    A.  I DO, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
       4    Q.  AND AS YOU READ THAT, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR
       5    FINDINGS BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE RECORDS?
       6    A.  CERTAINLY.  IT SAYS SHE'S UNABLE TO SWALLOW FOOD OR
       7    MEDICATION.  SHE'S NOT VISUALLY RESPONSIVE TO HER
       8    ENVIRONMENT.  SHE DEMONSTRATES REGRESSED REFLEXES.  THAT'S
       9    ALL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I JUST TESTIFIED TO.
      10    Q.  IF YOU WOULD TURN NOW TO AN E.K.G.  THERE'S FIRST A
      11    CHEST X-RAY ON 279.  LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT 279.  IT IS A
      12    REPORT OF AN X-RAY THAT APPARENTLY WAS DONE ON HER ADMISSION
      13    ON 12/21/95.  DO YOU SEE THOSE FINDINGS?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  WERE THOSE FINDINGS SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR PURPOSES OF
      16    THE OPINION YOU JUST RENDERED?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, WHY?
      19    A.  WELL, SHE HAD DISEASE BOTH IN HER HEART AND IN HER
      20    LUNGS.  SHE HAD CLASSIC FINDINGS OF WHAT WE CALL C.O.P.D.,
      21    CHRONIC OBSTRUCTIVE PULMONARY DISEASE, IN THE FORM OF
      22    HYPEREXPANSION OF THE CHEST.  C.O.P.D. IS BRONCHITIS AND
      23    EMPHYSEMA.  SHE HAD ABNORMAL LUNGS.
      24         IN ADDITION, SHE HAD A PROSTHETIC HEART VALUE.  SHE'D
      25    HAD OPEN HEART SURGERY AND HAD A MECHANICAL VALVE IN THE


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       1    HEART.  I THINK THAT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THAT MECHANICAL
       2    VALVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE STROKE THAT SHE SUFFERED, THE BIG
       3    STROKE SHE SUFFERED PREVIOUSLY.  CLOTS FORM ON MECHANICAL
       4    VALVES AND WHEN THEY BREAK OFF, IF THEY GO UP TO THE HEAD,
       5    THEY CAUSE STROKES.
       6    Q.  IS THE VALVE REPLACEMENT DIAGNOSTIC OF ANYTHING IN TERMS
       7    OF HEART DISEASE?
       8    A.  YES.  IT'S DIAGNOSTIC THAT THE VALVE SHE WAS BORN WITH
       9    WAS NO GOOD AND HAD TO BE REPLACED.
      10    Q.  NOW, IF YOU COULD TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, MED 730.  THERE
      11    IS ANOTHER REPORT THERE, ANOTHER E.K.G.  WOULD YOU TELL US,
      12    PLEASE, WHAT FINDINGS ARE REPORTED THERE CONCERNING THE
      13    CONDITION OF PATIENT LYDIA SMITH'S HEART?
      14    A.  YES.  ONCE AGAIN THERE'S MULTIPLE ABNORMALITIES.  SHE
      15    HAD A CONDITION CALLED ATRIAL FIBRILLATION.  WHAT THAT MEANS
      16    IS THAT THE NORMAL PACEMAKER IS NOT CONTROLLING THE HEART
      17    ANYMORE.  THE ATRIA, WHERE THE TOP OF THE HEART IS, WHERE
      18    THE ELECTRICAL IMPULSE STARTS, INSTEAD OF THOSE -- THE ATRIA
      19    BEATING WITH EACH HEART BEAT THEY'RE WHAT IS CALLED
      20    FIBRILLATING.  SO THE MUSCLE IS JUST KIND OF FLUTTERING.
      21    IT'S ABNORMAL AND IT PREDISPOSES PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY TO
      22    STROKES.
      23         SHE ALSO HAS P.V.C.S.  THAT MEANS PREMATURE VENTRICULAR
      24    CONTRACTIONS.  WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE VENTRICLE, WHERE
      25    ALL THE ELECTRICITY ENDS UP, TAKES IT UPON ITSELF TO TAKE


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       1    OVER THE HEART AND BEAT.  P.V.C.S ARE A WELL KNOWN CAUSE OF
       2    SUDDEN DEATH.
       3         SHE HAS LEFT AXIS DEVIATION, WHICH IS -- WHICH MEANS
       4    THAT THE SUM OF THE ELECTRICAL IMPULSES IN THE HEART HAVE
       5    BEEN SHIFTED IN AN ABNORMAL FASHION.  SHE HAS LEFT
       6    VENTRICULAR HYPERTROPHY, WHICH MEANS THAT THE MUSCLE IN HER
       7    PUMP IS THICKENED AND DISEASED.
       8         SHE HAS EVIDENCE THAT SHE'S HAD A HEART ATTACK IN THE
       9    SEPTAL AREA, THE AREA BETWEEN THE VENTRICLES.  WHERE IT
      10    SAYS, "CAN'T RULE OUT SEPTAL INFARCT, AGE UNDETERMINED," MY
      11    INTERPRETATION OF THAT WAS THAT SHE'D HAD A SEPTAL INFARCT
      12    AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
      13    Q.  IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FINDING OF ATRIAL
      14    FIBRILLATION AND ABNORMAL ARRHYTHMIA?
      15    A.  ATRIAL FIBRILLATION IS AN ABNORMAL ARRHYTHMIA BY
      16    DEFINITION.
      17    Q.  OKAY.  SO I GUESS THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP?
      18    A.  YES.
      19             THE COURT:  HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE
      20    WITH THIS WITNESS?
      21             MR. STIRBA:  I PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES,
      22    YOUR HONOR.
      23             THE COURT:  OKAY.  LET'S GO THAT FAR AND THEN STOP.
      24             MR. STIRBA:  THAT WOULD BE FINE.
      25    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO


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       1    SOME MEDICAL HISTORY, SPECIFICALLY TURN TO -- ACTUALLY, IT
       2    MAY NOT BE IN THE MEDICAL HISTORY.  TURN TO MED 823, WHICH
       3    IS FIVE OR SIX PAGES DOWN THE ROAD.  IT'S A DIAGNOSTIC FORM
       4    FROM THE HOSPITAL.
       5    A.  I SEE IT.
       6    Q.  IT LISTS THERE A NUMBER OF DIAGNOSES.  ARE THESE
       7    CONSISTENT WITH YOUR FINDINGS AND YOUR OPINION BASED UPON
       8    THE RECORD?
       9    A.  YES.  I MEAN, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE IT ADDS A FEW
      10    THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T GONE INTO, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS
      11    CONSISTENT.
      12    Q.  FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A SECONDARY DIAGNOSIS OF CONGESTIVE
      13    HEART FAILURE, DO YOU SEE THAT?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
      16    A.  YES.
      17    Q.  AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE ATRIAL FIBRILLATION.  HOW
      18    ABOUT CORONARY ARTHROSCLEROSIS OF NATIVE CORONARY VESSEL, DO
      19    YOU SEE THAT?
      20    A.  YES.
      21    Q.  DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
      22    A.  YES.  THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF THE HEART
      23    ATTACKS THAT I TESTIFIED REGARDING.
      24    Q.  IT ALSO SAYS ABNORMAL LOSS OF WEIGHT.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
      25    A.  YES.


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       1    Q.  DO YOU RECALL IN THE RECORDS THAT THERE WAS SUCH A
       2    FINDING?
       3    A.  YES.
       4    Q.  IS THAT SIGNIFICANT TO YOU FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR OPINION?
       5    A.  IT IS.
       6    Q.  AND TELL THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHY THAT IS?
       7    A.  IN A GERIATRIC PATIENT LOSS OF WEIGHT, THAT ISN'T
       8    INTENDED FROM DIETING OR WHATEVER, INDICATES SOMETHING WE
       9    CALL FAILURE TO THRIVE.  BASICALLY IT MEANS THAT THE ORGANS,
      10    THE SUM TOTAL OF THE FUNCTION OF ALL THE BODILY ORGANS,
      11    ISN'T SUFFICIENT TO SUSTAIN LIFE ONGOING, BASICALLY.  IT
      12    MEANS THAT THINGS ARE SHUTTING DOWN.  IT RESULTS IN
      13    NUTRITIONAL AND CHEMICAL PROBLEMS AND MAKES THE INDIVIDUAL
      14    THAT MUCH MORE AT RISK FOR ANY OF THE VARIOUS ACUTE MEDICAL
      15    CATASTROPHES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
      16    Q.  AND THEN IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT LATE EFFECTS OF CEREBRAL
      17    VASCULAR DISEASE.  WOULD THAT RELATE TO THE STROKE?
      18    A.  AND THE SEQUELAE THEREOF.  ONCE THE STROKE OCCURS AND
      19    THE BRAIN IS DAMAGED, IT DOESN'T GET BETTER.
      20    Q.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT YOU MEAN BY SEQUELAE?
      21    A.  I MEAN I GUESS COMPLICATIONS, RESULTS OF.  FOR INSTANCE,
      22    IN A PREVIOUS PATIENT WHO HAD A STROKE THERE WAS A LEFT
      23    HEMIPARESIS.  THAT PART OF THE BODY WAS PARALYZED.  THAT'S A
      24    SEQUELA, A RESULT OF THE STROKE.  SHE'D HAD -- THIS PATIENT
      25    HAD HAD PART OF HER BRAIN DAMAGED BY THE STROKE AND THAT


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       1    PART OF THE BRAIN WASN'T FUNCTIONING NORMALLY ANYMORE.
       2    Q.  AND FINALLY, UNDER SECONDARY DIAGNOSES, THEY HAVE THE
       3    WORD CARDIOMEGALY?
       4    A.  YES.
       5    Q.  WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
       6    A.  THAT THE HEART IS ENLARGED.
       7    Q.  IS THAT SIGNIFICANT?
       8    A.  YES.  IT'S CONSISTENT WITH -- IT ACTUALLY REALLY GOES
       9    WITH THE DIAGNOSIS ON TOP OF THE CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE
      10    AND THE LEFT VENTRICULAR HYPERTROPHY THAT WAS NOTED ON THE
      11    E.K.G.  BASICALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE PUMP HAS BEEN
      12    FAILING.  IT'S BIGGER BECAUSE IT CAN'T HANDLE THE VOLUME.
      13    THE MUSCLE WALL HAS BEEN THICKENED AND DISEASED.  IT'S ALL
      14    BAD.
      15    Q.  IF YOU WOULD TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE.  IT HAS A
      16    NUMBER OF L.H. 279, A DISCHARGE SUMMARY FROM LAKEVIEW
      17    HOSPITAL.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
      18    A.  YES.
      19    Q.  AND IS THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT AND THE RECORDATION
      20    THERE SIGNIFICANT TO YOU?
      21    A.  YES, IT IS.
      22    Q.  AND TELL US, PLEASE, HOW SO?
      23    A.  THIS DISCHARGE SUMMARY RELATES TO THE HOSPITALIZATION IN
      24    NOVEMBER OF '95 FOLLOWING THE PATIENT'S STROKE.  UNDER THE
      25    DISCHARGE DIAGNOSIS IT TALKS ABOUT THE HEMORRHAGIC PARIETAL


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       1    STROKE.  PARIETAL IS ANOTHER PART OF THE BRAIN THAT WE
       2    HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.
       3         BUT OF INTEREST TO ME HERE WAS THE SECTION IN THE
       4    MIDDLE.  IF YOU LOOK AT THE PART WHERE IT SAYS HOSPITAL
       5    COURSE, THIS PATIENT HAD -- THIS PATIENT WAS REALLY BETWEEN
       6    A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.  SHE HAD ATRIAL FIBRILLATION AND A
       7    PROSTHETIC VALVE, BOTH OF WHICH CAUSED GREAT RISK FOR
       8    STROKES.  CLOTS WILL DEVELOP IN THE ATRIUM AND ON THE VALVE.
       9    THE TREATMENT FOR THAT IS ANTICOAGULATION, OR BLOOD
      10    THINNING.  IN FACT, SHE HAD BEEN TREATING WITH BLOOD
      11    THINNERS FOR THOSE INDICATIONS.
      12         UNFORTUNATELY FOR THIS PATIENT, THE STROKE THAT SHE
      13    SUFFERED WAS A HEMORRHAGIC STROKE.  IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER
      14    THAN THE ARTERY JUST BEING BLOCKED, THERE WAS BLEEDING INTO
      15    THE BRAIN IN THE AREA THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THE STROKE.  WHEN
      16    ONE HAS A HEMORRHAGIC STROKE, IT MEANS THAT ANTICOAGULATION
      17    IS CONTRAINDICATED.  IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU KEEP GIVING
      18    ANTICOAGULANTS YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BLEED INTO THE BRAIN AND
      19    FOR SURE DIE.
      20         SO NOW YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE NO LONGER
      21    ABLE TO TREAT THE UNDERLYING CONDITION THAT'S GOING TO
      22    PREDISPOSE YOU TO ADDITIONAL STROKES BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF
      23    BLEEDING FURTHER FROM THE STROKE YOU JUST HAD.  I MEAN, THIS
      24    IS A CLASSICAL SITUATION THAT USUALLY SPELLS DOOM.
      25         IN FACT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT DR. SOUTHWORTH WAS


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       1    CONCERNED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO DIE HERE.  HE SAYS, ON HER
       2    SECOND HOSPITAL DAY, SHE BECAME FAIRLY OBTUNDED AND HAD SOME
       3    CHEYNE-STOKES BREATHING.  THAT'S AN ABNORMAL BREATHING
       4    PATTERN THAT OCCURS WITH STROKES.  THEN HE SAYS, HOWEVER,
       5    OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS SHE GRADUALLY BECAME MORE ALERT.
       6         SO, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT SHE
       7    WAS LITERALLY ON DEATH'S DOOR IN NOVEMBER OF '95 WHEN THIS
       8    STROKE OCCURRED AND THAT MIRACULOUSLY SHE PULLED OUT OF IT
       9    AND WENT ON TO SURVIVE OVER ANOTHER MONTH.
      10             MR. STIRBA:  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  THAT'S ALL I HAVE,
      11    YOUR HONOR.
      12             THE COURT:  LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S TAKE A
      13    BREAK AT THIS POINT.  WE'LL BREAK UNTIL 3:00 P.M.  DURING
      14    THAT TIME IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO CONVERSE AMONG YOURSELVES OR
      15    WITH ANYONE ELSE, OR ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE ADDRESSED BY ANY
      16    PERSON ON THE SUBJECT OF THIS TRIAL.  IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO
      17    FORM OR EXPRESS ANY OPINION UNTIL THE CASE IS FINALLY
      18    SUBMITTED TO YOU.  IF YOU'LL COME BACK AT 3:00 P.M.
      19                                           (SHORT RECESS.)
      20             THE COURT:  BEFORE WE GET STARTED, LADIES AND
      21    GENTLEMEN, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF TOMORROW, BEING FRIDAY, IF
      22    YOU WANT TO START AT EIGHT WITH THE IDEA OF BEING DONE
      23    EARLIER?  IS THAT SOMETHING -- IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE
      24    ATTORNEYS.  SO IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, THEN WE'LL LEAVE
      25    TODAY AND COME BACK AT EIGHT TOMORROW MORNING.  HOW MUCH


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       1    EARLIER -- NO LATER THAN 4:30, DEPENDING WHERE WE GET WITH
       2    WITNESSES.  WE'LL SEE.  THEN, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE,
       3    YOU'LL NOT BE HERE EITHER JULY 3RD OR JULY 4TH.
       4         OKAY.  WERE YOU DONE, MR. STIRBA?
       5             MR. STIRBA:  I WAS.
       6             THE COURT:  MR. MAJOR, YOU MAY CROSS-EXAMINE.
       7                       CROSS-EXAMINATION
       8    BY MR. MAJOR: 
       9    Q.  DOCTOR, I THINK EARLIER ON DIRECT EXAMINATION YOU
      10    TESTIFIED THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN;
      11    IS THAT CORRECT?
      12    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      13    Q.  AND YOU WORKED AS AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN UP UNTIL
      14    1994?
      15    A.  NO.  I'M CONTINUING TO WORK AS AN EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN.
      16    Q.  WHERE DO YOU WORK AT?
      17    A.  ST. MARK'S HOSPITAL.
      18    Q.  AND YOU WORK APPROXIMATELY TWO DAYS A WEEK AT THAT?
      19    A.  SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
      20    Q.  WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WORKED EMERGENCY ROOM AT ST.
      21    MARK'S?
      22    A.  IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS.
      23    Q.  AND YOU ALSO INDICATED THAT YOU HAD A SECOND TYPE OF
      24    PRACTICE, I GUESS?
      25    A.  YES.


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       1    Q.  AND THAT DEALT WITH ACCIDENT VICTIMS?
       2    A.  CORRECT.
       3    Q.  AND WHAT DOES THAT INVOLVE?
       4    A.  I SEE PATIENTS IN MY PRIVATE OFFICE TWO DAYS A WEEK WHO
       5    HAVE BEEN INJURED IN ACCIDENTS, MOSTLY MOTOR VEHICLE
       6    ACCIDENTS.  I MAKE DIAGNOSES AND SUPERVISE THEIR
       7    REHABILITATION.
       8    Q.  AND SO FROM AT LEAST 1994 UNTIL THE PRESENT YOU'VE
       9    WORKED APPROXIMATELY TWO DAYS A WEEK IN EMERGENCY ROOM, IS
      10    THAT CORRECT?
      11    A.  IT VARIES.  MORE THAN THAT IN PRIOR YEARS; LESS IN THE
      12    LAST YEAR OR SO.
      13    Q.  OKAY.  AND AS AN E.R. PHYSICIAN, OR EMERGENCY ROOM
      14    PHYSICIAN, YOU TREAT PEOPLE WITH SUDDEN ILLNESSES OR
      15    ACCIDENTS, CORRECT?
      16    A.  CORRECT.
      17    Q.  AND THE BASIC PURPOSE OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM IS TO TREAT
      18    THESE PEOPLE, GET THEM STABILIZED, AND THEN MOVE THEM TO
      19    ANOTHER AREA OF THE HOSPITAL?
      20    A.  OR DISCHARGE THEM TO HOME, CORRECT.
      21    Q.  IF YOU'VE SOLVED THEIR PROBLEM?
      22    A.  IF THEIR CONDITION ALLOWS, CORRECT.
      23    Q.  OKAY.  AS AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN, THEN, YOU DO NOT
      24    HAVE ANY EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE ONGOING CARE OF A
      25    PARTICULAR PATIENT?


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       1    A.  I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY THAT, IN THAT MOST OF THE
       2    PATIENTS THAT I SEE, AT LEAST THE MEDICAL PATIENTS, A LARGE
       3    PART OF THE CASE INVOLVES ANALYSIS OF THEIR ONGOING CARE BY
       4    OTHERS.
       5    Q.  BUT YOU DON'T YOURSELF, ON A DAILY BASIS, TREAT
       6    PATIENTS, THE SAME PATIENT DAY AFTER DAY?
       7    A.  THE SAME PATIENT DAY AFTER DAY, THAT'S CORRECT.
       8    Q.  AND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY REAL EXPERIENCE IN TREATING
       9    OR HAVE LONG-TERM CARE WITH PATIENTS, IS THAT CORRECT?
      10    A.  AS I SAID, THE ACCIDENT VICTIMS I SEE I DO PROVIDE
      11    LONG-TERM CARE.  I HAVE PATIENTS THAT I SEE IN MY OFFICE
      12    THAT I'VE CARED FOR FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS RUNNING.
      13    Q.  OKAY.  YOU ARE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED IN GERIATRIC CARE,
      14    ARE YOU?
      15    A.  NO.
      16    Q.  YOU'RE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED IN PHARMACOLOGY?
      17    A.  NO, I'M NOT.
      18    Q.  YOU'RE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED AS A CARDIAC EXPERT?
      19    A.  CORRECT.
      20    Q.  YOU'RE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED AS A PSYCHIATRIST?
      21    A.  CORRECT.
      22    Q.  AND YOU'RE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED -- LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
      23    OTHER THAN DEALING WITH ACCIDENT VICTIMS, DO YOU HAVE ANY
      24    TRAINING OR EXPERIENCE IN PAIN MANAGEMENT?
      25    A.  WELL, I'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE IN


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       1    PAIN MANAGEMENT IN MY VARIOUS MEDICAL TRAININGS.  AND MY
       2    PRACTICE, BASICALLY, INVOLVES TREATING PATIENTS WHO HAVE
       3    CHRONIC PAIN.
       4    Q.  OKAY.  YOU HAVE NO REAL EXPERIENCE IN DEALING ON A
       5    LONG-TERM CARE BASIS WITH THE ELDERLY?
       6    A.  SOME OF MY PATIENTS THAT I FOLLOW ARE ELDERLY.
       7    Q.  AND YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE, AS FAR AS THE LONG-TERM CARE
       8    OF PATIENTS, DEALING WITH DEMENTIA OR DELIRIUM?
       9    A.  AGAIN, SOME OF THE PATIENTS I'VE SEEN REPEATEDLY SUFFER
      10    THOSE PROBLEMS.
      11    Q.  BUT YOU'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY THERE TO TREAT THE DEMENTIA
      12    OR DELIRIUM?
      13    A.  WELL, CERTAINLY ACUTELY I GET INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT
      14    THAT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF WHAT I DO.
      15    Q.  SO ON A LONG-TERM BASIS YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH DELIRIUM
      16    OR DEMENTIA?
      17    A.  MY ANSWER IS I GUESS WHAT IT IS.
      18    Q.  OKAY.  NOW, AS A TREATING PHYSICIAN IN THE EMERGENCY
      19    ROOM YOU INDICATE THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN GIVING
      20    MORPHINE, IS THAT CORRECT?
      21    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      22    Q.  SO YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ASPECTS OF MORPHINE AND ITS
      23    SIDE EFFECTS, IS THAT CORRECT?
      24    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      25    Q.  AND WOULD YOU AGREE THAT MORPHINE IS A SEDATING DRUG?


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       1    A.  YES.
       2    Q.  AND WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S A CENTRAL NERVOUS
       3    SYSTEM SUPPRESSANT?
       4    A.  DEPRESSANT.
       5    Q.  DEPRESSANT?
       6    A.  YES.
       7    Q.  OKAY.  AND WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE, DOCTOR, THAT MORPHINE
       8    CAN ALSO CAUSE HYPOTENSION OR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE?
       9    A.  THAT'S CORRECT, IT CAN.
      10    Q.  AND THESE ARE ALL COMPLICATIONS AND PROBLEMS THAT EXIST
      11    WITH GIVING MORPHINE?
      12    A.  THOSE ARE FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED AS RISKS WHEN ONE
      13    CHOOSES TO GIVE MORPHINE.  THEY CERTAINLY DON'T ALWAYS OCCUR
      14    AND, IN FACT, MOST OF THE TIME DON'T.
      15    Q.  BUT THOSE ARE FACTORS YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT?
      16    A.  CORRECT.
      17    Q.  AND YOU ALSO TESTIFIED, I BELIEVE, THAT PART OF YOUR
      18    PRACTICE IS, WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, YOU TAKE THEIR HISTORY?
      19    A.  CORRECT.
      20    Q.  AND WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL?
      21    A.  THAT ENTAILS INTERVIEWING THEM, BASICALLY.  OR IN CASES
      22    WHERE THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER,
      23    OBTAINING THE HISTORY FROM A THIRD PARTY AND FINDING OUT THE
      24    HISTORY OF THE PRESENT ILLNESS, WHAT HAPPENED TO GET THEM
      25    THERE.  BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU CAN ASCERTAIN REGARDING


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       1    THEIR LONG-TERM HEALTH.
       2    Q.  AND THAT WOULD ENTAIL WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE ANY
       3    ALLERGIES, CORRECT?
       4    A.  CORRECT.
       5    Q.  AND WOULD ENTAIL WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE TAKING ANY OTHER
       6    MEDICATIONS?
       7    A.  THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE FIRST TWO THINGS I ASK.
       8    Q.  AND YOU WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN HEART CONDITIONS,
       9    THAT KIND OF THING, BLOOD PRESSURE?
      10    A.  YES.
      11    Q.  AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE IF
      12    YOU'RE GOING TO TREAT THEM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT DETERMINE
      13    WHAT YOU DO, CORRECT?
      14    A.  ABSOLUTELY.
      15    Q.  AND ALSO BEING AWARE OF THOSE THINGS IS IMPORTANT IF YOU
      16    ARE GOING TO TREAT THEM WITH SOME TYPE OF A PAIN MEDICATION?
      17    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      18    Q.  AND SPECIFICALLY WITH MORPHINE?
      19    A.  INCLUDING MORPHINE, CORRECT.
      20    Q.  AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT
      21    INFORMATION WITH MORPHINE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER DRUGS?
      22    A.  NOT NECESSARILY.  IF YOU DIE OF A PENICILLIN ALLERGY
      23    YOU'RE JUST AS DEAD AS FROM ANYTHING ELSE.
      24    Q.  MORPHINE, BASED ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND TRAINING, DOES
      25    IT AFFECT RESPIRATION?


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       1    A.  IT CAN.
       2    Q.  OKAY.  MORPHINE WOULD AFFECT -- YOU'VE ALREADY TESTIFIED
       3    IT AFFECTS BLOOD PRESSURE.  SO SOMEONE WITH A HEART PROBLEM
       4    WOULD -- MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY MORPHINE?
       5    A.  THEY MIGHT.
       6    Q.  AND SOMEONE WHO HAS MAYBE A HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE PROBLEM
       7    WOULD BE AFFECTED BY MORPHINE?
       8    A.  CORRECT.
       9    Q.  OR A LOW BLOOD PRESSURE PROBLEM?
      10    A.  CORRECT.
      11    Q.  ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS YOU WOULD
      12    WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN AS PART OF THE HISTORY, IS THAT
      13    CORRECT?
      14    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      15    Q.  DOCTOR, YOU'VE TESTIFIED, I THINK THE FIRST ONE WE
      16    DISCUSSED, IS ELLEN ANDERSON, IS THAT CORRECT?
      17    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      18    Q.  LET ME ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ELLEN ANDERSON.
      19    A.  CERTAINLY.
      20    Q.  YOU WENT OVER HER PRIOR HISTORY, IS THAT CORRECT?
      21    A.  YES.
      22    Q.  AND YOU WERE AWARE THAT PRIOR TO HER COMING TO THE DAVIS
      23    NORTH HOSPITAL SHE HAD HAD SOME COMPLAINTS OF PAIN, CORRECT?
      24    A.  CORRECT.
      25    Q.  AND THAT PAIN WAS BASED ON HER OSTEOPOROSIS?


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       1    A.  HER OSTEOPOROSIS WAS THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM THAT I
       2    BELIEVE CONTRIBUTED TO HER HIP FRACTURE AND SEVERE KYPHOTIC
       3    DEFORMITY.
       4    Q.  NOW, YOU TALK ABOUT A HIP FRACTURE.  ARE WE TALKING
       5    ABOUT THE HIP REPLACEMENT?
       6    A.  THE HIP WAS REPLACED BECAUSE IT WAS FRACTURED.
       7    Q.  OKAY.  AND YOU WERE AWARE THAT THAT TOOK PLACE IN JUNE
       8    OF 1995?
       9    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      10    Q.  AND A HIP REPLACEMENT WOULD BE FAIRLY PAINFUL, WOULD IT
      11    NOT?
      12    A.  THE OPERATION ITSELF ISN'T PAINFUL AT ALL BECAUSE YOU'RE
      13    ASLEEP.
      14    Q.  RIGHT.  BUT THE AFTER EFFECTS?
      15    A.  IN SOME PATIENTS, YES.  IN OTHERS, SURPRISINGLY LESS SO.
      16    Q.  SO IT DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL PATIENT?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT AFTER SHE HAD HER HIP SURGERY,
      19    THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTROL THE PAIN WITH LORTAB?
      20    A.  THEY USED LORTAB TO TREAT THE PAIN, CORRECT.
      21    Q.  AND YOU DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE RECORDS OF ELLEN
      22    ANDERSON, PRIOR TO HER COMING TO DAVIS NORTH, THAT INDICATED
      23    THE LORTAB DID NOT TREAT THE PAIN, DID NOT SATISFY THE PAIN?
      24    A.  NOT THAT I RECALL, THAT'S CORRECT.
      25    Q.  DID YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THE MEDICAL RECORDS, PRIOR TO


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       1    HER ARRIVING AT THE DAVIS NORTH HOSPITAL, THAT WOULD
       2    INDICATE SHE MAY HAVE HAD PAIN OR WOULD HAVE BEEN IN PAIN?
       3    A.  YES.
       4    Q.  AND WHAT WAS THAT?
       5    A.  SHE HAD ONE OF THE MORE SEVERE KYPHOTIC DEFORMITIES OF
       6    THE SPINE THAT I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.
       7    Q.  OKAY.  BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A
       8    SUBJECTIVE OPINION AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD CAUSE PAIN,
       9    CORRECT?
      10    A.  I CAN'T IMAGINE -- LOOKING THROUGH HER RECORDS, HER
      11    VERTEBRAE WERE CONTINUING TO COLLAPSE AND COMPRESS OVER A
      12    MONTH'S TIME PRIOR TO HER ADMISSION.  I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT
      13    THAT KIND OF DEFORMITY WOULDN'T CAUSE PAIN.
      14    Q.  OKAY.  SO IF THE FAMILY MEMBERS WERE TO TESTIFY THAT
      15    THEY HAD DEALT WITH HER ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS FROM THE
      16    TIME OF THE HIP SURGERY UNTIL THE TIME THAT SHE CAME TO THE
      17    HOSPITAL AND THEY DID NOT OBSERVE ANY PAIN, WOULD THAT BE
      18    INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOUR FINDINGS WERE?
      19    A.  IT'S HARD TO SAY.
      20    Q.  AND IF IN FACT ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS WAS TO HAVE
      21    TESTIFIED THAT ON THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL SHE HELD ELLEN
      22    ANDERSON IN HER ARMS AND ROCKED BACK AND FORTH, WOULD THAT
      23    BE INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR OPINION THAT SHE WOULD -- THAT
      24    THIS CONDITION WOULD CAUSE PAIN?
      25    A.  I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT.  THE PAIN CAN


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       1    VARY MARKEDLY FROM HOUR TO HOUR AND DAY TO DAY, DEPENDING
       2    UPON MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS.  SOME PATIENTS WILL TELL YOU
       3    THAT JUST A CHANGE IN THE WEATHER AND A LOT OF COLD WILL
       4    INCREASE THE PAIN MARKEDLY.
       5    Q.  OKAY.  AND SO FROM THE RECORD YOU WOULD INDICATE THAT AT
       6    THE TIME SHE ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL SHE WAS EXPERIENCING
       7    PAIN?
       8    A.  I'M SORRY?
       9    Q.  AT THE TIME SHE ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL WOULD SHE HAVE
      10    BEEN EXPERIENCING PAIN?
      11    A.  I THINK TO SOME DEGREE SHE WOULD.
      12    Q.  YOU ALSO TESTIFIED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU FOUND
      13    IN ELLEN ANDERSON, THE HEART PROBLEMS, THE OSTEOPOROSIS,
      14    THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, CORRECT?
      15    A.  YES.
      16    Q.  THEY ALL CAME FROM YOUR PERUSAL OF THE RECORDS OF THE
      17    REST HOMES AND SO FORTH PRIOR TO COMING INTO THE HOSPITAL,
      18    IS THAT CORRECT?
      19    A.  AS WELL AS ATTENDING THE AUTOPSY AND REVIEWING THE
      20    REPORT, THAT'S CORRECT.
      21    Q.  BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, DOCTOR, THAT AT THE TIME
      22    ELLEN ANDERSON WAS ADMITTED INTO THE HOSPITAL AND THE NURSE
      23    CALLED AND TALKED TO DR. WEITZEL, HE WASN'T AWARE OF ANY OF
      24    THAT PRIOR HISTORY, WAS HE, BASED ON THE RECORDS YOU'VE
      25    SEEN?


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       1    A.  I DON'T KNOW.
       2    Q.  BUT BASED ON THE RECORD WAS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT HE
       3    HAD ANY OF THAT PRIOR INFORMATION?
       4    A.  I DON'T KNOW.
       5    Q.  AND BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHETHER
       6    DR. WEITZEL OBTAINED A HISTORY OF ELLEN ANDERSON?
       7    A.  THERE WAS CERTAINLY A HISTORY IN THE MEDICAL RECORDS.
       8    Q.  THERE WAS NO HISTORY?
       9    A.  THERE WAS.
      10    Q.  AND WHAT HISTORY WAS THAT?
      11    A.  (NO ANSWER.)
      12    Q.  PROBABLY IT'S NOT IN THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU HAVE THERE,
      13    DOCTOR.
      14    A.  OKAY.  I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE ADMISSION NOTE AND
      15    DISCUSS IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
      16    Q.  YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO.  IF YOU
      17    WOULD TURN TO THE ELLEN ANDERSON FILE THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
      18    A.  OKAY.  THIS ONE HERE?
      19    Q.  YES.  THE GRAY ONE?
      20    A.  YES.
      21    Q.  AND TURN TO PAGE 170.
      22    A.  170?
      23    Q.  YES.  LET ME ASK YOU, IS THAT THE -- WHEN YOU FIND
      24    THAT --
      25    A.  THOSE ARE THE ORDERS.


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       1    Q.  OKAY.  IS THAT THE HISTORY THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO?
       2    A.  NO.  ACTUALLY, THE HISTORY I WAS REFERRING TO IS ON 167
       3    IN THE WHITE BINDER.
       4    Q.  IN THE WHITE BINDER?
       5    A.  YEAH.  NO, I'M SORRY, THE GRAY BINDER.  167 IN THE GRAY.
       6    Q.  OKAY.
       7    A.  THIS IS THE -- THEY CALL IT THE PSYCHIATRIC EVAL HERE,
       8    BUT IT'S IN FACT THE USUAL HISTORY THAT IS STANDARD.
       9    Q.  LET ME SHOW YOU, THEN, PAGE 169 OF THAT EXHIBIT.
      10    A.  OKAY.
      11    Q.  REFERRING TO THAT DOCUMENT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE
      12    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE D, COLON, STANDS FOR?
      13    A.  YES, I DO.
      14    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT?
      15    A.  DICTATED.
      16    Q.  AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE T, COLON, STANDS FOR?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  AND WHAT IS THAT?
      19    A.  TRANSCRIBED.
      20    Q.  SO BASED ON THIS DOCUMENT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IT WAS
      21    DICTATED ON 12/30/95 AT 12:20, CORRECT?
      22    A.  CORRECT.
      23    Q.  AND IT WAS TYPED ON 12/30/95, THE SAME DAY, AT 1401,
      24    WHICH I GUESS FOR US LAYMEN IS ABOUT 2:00 O'CLOCK?
      25    A.  CORRECT.


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       1    Q.  AND IN FACT THAT WAS WRITTEN AFTER ELLEN ANDERSON HAD
       2    DIED, WAS IT NOT?
       3    A.  SHE WASN'T IN THE HOSPITAL VERY LONG.  THAT'S PROBABLY
       4    CORRECT.
       5    Q.  NOW I'LL REFER YOU BACK TO THE PHYSICIAN'S ORDER, WHICH
       6    IS PAGE 170.
       7    A.  OKAY.
       8    Q.  THIS APPEARS TO BE ORDERS WRITTEN FOR MEDICATIONS, IS
       9    THAT CORRECT?
      10    A.  MEDICATIONS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE ORDERS, RIGHT.
      11    Q.  OKAY.  WRITTEN ON 12/29/95, WHICH WAS THE DATE OF ELLEN
      12    ANDERSON'S ADMISSION, CORRECT?
      13    A.  RIGHT.
      14    Q.  AND RIGHT DOWN HERE WHERE IT INDICATES T.O., DO YOU
      15    UNDERSTAND THAT TO MEAN TELEPHONE ORDER?
      16    A.  I DO.
      17    Q.  SO THAT WOULD INDICATE TO YOU THAT DR. WEITZEL WAS NOT
      18    PRESENT ON THE HOSPITAL GROUNDS AT THE TIME THAT ORDER WAS
      19    GIVEN?
      20    A.  NO.
      21    Q.  OKAY.  SO IT WAS INDICATED IT WAS MADE BY TELEPHONE?
      22    A.  YES.  HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE HOSPITAL
      23    AND DONE IT THAT WAY.  HE WASN'T -- WHAT IT MEANS IS HE
      24    DIDN'T WRITE IT.
      25    Q.  WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOU IF I TOLD YOU THAT THE


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       1    NURSES AT THE TIME TESTIFIED THEY DO NOT RECALL DR. WEITZEL
       2    EVER BEING IN?
       3             MR. STIRBA:  I'LL OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT
       4    QUESTION IN TERMS OF HIM COMMENTING UPON THE TESTIMONY OF
       5    OTHER WITNESSES IN THE TRIAL.
       6             THE COURT:  REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
       7    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  WELL, LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY.  ASSUMING
       8    THAT THE EVIDENCE WOULD BE THAT DR. WEITZEL HAD NOT HAD ANY
       9    CONTACT WITH ELLEN ANDERSON PRIOR TO ISSUING THIS ORDER?
      10    A.  YES.
      11    Q.  THAT WOULD INDICATE HE PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY HISTORY
      12    OTHER THAN WHAT WAS GIVEN TO HIM ON THE TELEPHONE, CORRECT?
      13    A.  WELL, WHAT'S GIVEN TO YOU ON THE TELEPHONE CAN BE ALL
      14    THE HISTORY.  I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A PATIENT TO BE
      15    SENT TO ME IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHO IS UNRESPONSIVE AND I
      16    SPEND TEN OR 15 OR 20 MINUTES ON THE PHONE WITH THEIR
      17    ATTENDING PHYSICIAN AND IN FACT HAVE OBTAINED ALL OF THE
      18    HISTORY ON THAT PATIENT.
      19    Q.  RIGHT.  AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE PATIENT PRESENT YOU CAN
      20    ALSO DO A PHYSICAL EXAMINATION, CORRECT?
      21    A.  YES.  OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T DO A PHYSICAL EXAM WITHOUT
      22    BEING PRESENT, THAT'S CORRECT.
      23    Q.  OKAY.  SO DESPITE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, ALL OF THE HISTORY
      24    THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH ELLEN ANDERSON, THE EVIDENCE
      25    IS, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE, DR. WEITZEL WOULDN'T HAVE


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       1    BEEN AWARE OF THAT?
       2             MR. STIRBA:  I'LL OBJECT AGAIN.  THAT CALLS FOR
       3    SPECULATION.
       4             THE COURT:  SUSTAINED.
       5    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  NOW, YOU ALSO INDICATED THAT THERE ARE
       6    OTHER MEDICATIONS FOR PAIN RELIEF OTHER THAN MORPHINE, IS
       7    THAT CORRECT?
       8    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
       9    Q.  SOME OF THOSE MEDICATIONS DO NOT HAVE ALL OF THE SERIOUS
      10    SIDE EFFECTS THAT MORPHINE DOES, IS THAT CORRECT?
      11    A.  THE MEDICATIONS THAT HAVE THE SAME DEGREE OF
      12    EFFECTIVENESS AS MORPHINE GENERALLY HAVE THE SAME DEGREE OF
      13    SIDE EFFECTS.
      14    Q.  WELL, WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION, BASED ON YOUR USE OF THE
      15    EMERGENCY ROOM, THAT THE FIRST CHOICE IN ANY TYPE OF
      16    SITUATION WHERE THERE'S PAIN IS TO USE MORPHINE?
      17    A.  I WOULDN'T TESTIFY THAT THE FIRST CHOICE IN ANY
      18    SITUATION IS ANYTHING.  I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO GENERALIZE
      19    IN THAT FASHION.
      20    Q.  CORRECT.  THANK YOU.  YOU ALSO TESTIFIED THAT, BASED ON
      21    WHAT YOU OBSERVED FROM THE RECORDS, THAT ELLEN ANDERSON HAD
      22    A MILD CARDIO INFARCTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
      23    A.  YES.
      24    Q.  YOU ALSO WERE AWARE THAT -- LET ME ASK YOU THIS.  AS A
      25    DOCTOR, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THESE TYPES OF ANALYSES, I GUESS


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       1    YOU COULD SAY THE ULTIMATE MEANS OF DETERMINING THE CAUSE OF
       2    DEATH IS THE AUTOPSY ITSELF?
       3    A.  THE AUTOPSY GIVES THE MOST PRECISE INFORMATION REGARDING
       4    ANATOMIC FINDINGS.  NOT PHYSIOLOGIC FINDINGS BUT ANATOMIC,
       5    THE AUTOPSY IS PROBABLY THE BEST.
       6    Q.  CORRECT.  AND THAT'S WHY, BASICALLY, THE MEDICAL
       7    EXAMINER'S CHART IS USED IN DETERMINING CAUSE OF DEATH,
       8    BECAUSE ANATOMIC EXAMINATION IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO
       9    FIND THAT?
      10    A.  WELL, I MEAN, IT'S THE TRADITIONAL THING THAT'S DONE,
      11    OBVIOUSLY.
      12    Q.  OKAY.  NOW, I'D LIKE YOU TO TURN IN THE WHITE BINDER TO
      13    WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.  I BELIEVE IT'S 173 WITH ELLEN
      14    ANDERSON.
      15    A.  OKAY.
      16    Q.  I APOLOGIZE.  174.
      17    A.  I HAVE A 172 AND A 190.
      18    Q.  MED 174?
      19    A.  I'M SORRY.  174, YES.
      20    Q.  OKAY.  THAT IS THE DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING REPORT, CORRECT,
      21    THE X-RAY?
      22    A.  YES, IT IS.
      23    Q.  YOU HAVE TESTIFIED THAT IN FACT THERE ARE SEVERAL
      24    PROBLEMS THAT YOU OBSERVED IN THAT PARTICULAR X-RAY,
      25    CORRECT?


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       1    A.  CORRECT.
       2    Q.  YOU ARE ALSO AWARE THAT THIS WAS TAKEN APPROXIMATELY
       3    5:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, OR EARLY MORNING, I SHOULD SAY?
       4    A.  WHY DON'T YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THE TIME?
       5    Q.  I WOULD INDICATE TO YOU, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT ON
       6    THIS, THAT I THINK WE DETERMINED THE TIME BASED ON REVIEWING
       7    OTHER MEDICAL RECORDS.  BUT YOU WERE AWARE -- ARE YOU AWARE
       8    THAT THIS X-RAY WAS TAKEN AFTER MS. ANDERSON HAD HAD TWO 10
       9    MILLIGRAM SHOTS OF MORPHINE?
      10    A.  NOT SEEING THE TIME ON THE REPORT, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME --
      11    Q.  OKAY.
      12    A.  -- WHEN THE X-RAY WAS TAKEN.
      13    Q.  AND YOU'RE ALSO AWARE, BASED ON THE MEDICAL RECORDS,
      14    THAT MS. ANDERSON HAD SOME ADDITIONAL TYPES OF MEDICATION ON
      15    ENTRY, IS THAT CORRECT?
      16    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      17    Q.  AND IN FACT, IF SHE HAD THOSE ADDITIONAL MEDICATIONS
      18    PLUS THE TWO 10-MILLIGRAM SHOTS OF MORPHINE, THAT COULD VERY
      19    WELL HAVE AFFECTED THE RESULTS OF THE X-RAY, CORRECT?
      20    A.  NO.
      21    Q.  IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON -- MAYBE I SAID EFFECT ON
      22    THE X-RAY.  YOU DON'T FEEL THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE AN EFFECT ON
      23    HER HEART CONDITION AT THAT TIME?
      24    A.  NO.
      25    Q.  SO YOUR TESTIMONY WOULD BE THAT MORPHINE DOES NOT AFFECT


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       1    ANY PARTICULAR HEART CONDITION?
       2    A.  THAT'S NOT MY TESTIMONY.  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
       3    SPECIFICS OF THIS CASE.  A 10-MILLIGRAM DOSE, GIVEN IN A
       4    PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER ABOUT EIGHT
       5    HOURS LATER, THE SPECIFICS OF THAT, IT'S NOT A BIG DOSE.  I
       6    DON'T THINK IT HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT HEMODYNAMIC EFFECT.
       7    Q.  ARE YOU POSITIVE IT WAS GIVEN EIGHT HOURS APART?
       8    A.  I'M NOT POSITIVE OF MUCH ON THIS, NOT HAVING PRACTICED
       9    MEDICINE FOR . . .
      10    Q.  BUT BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE RECORDS, THOSE ARE
      11    FAIRLY ACCURATE, ARE THEY NOT?
      12    A.  YES.  MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT THE DOSES WERE IN THAT
      13    NEIGHBORHOOD.
      14    Q.  SO BASED ON THE -- TURN IN THE GRAY BOOK OF ELLEN
      15    ANDERSON.  I GUESS WE'LL DO IT THIS WAY.
      16    A.  OKAY.
      17    Q.  PAGE 201.  IT'S UNDER THE MEDS AND GRAPHS.
      18    A.  OKAY.  201, DID YOU SAY?
      19    Q.  YES.
      20    A.  OKAY, I HAVE IT.
      21    Q.  LOOKING AT THAT, IF YOU WOULD LOOK DOWN HERE WHERE IT
      22    TALKS ABOUT THE MORPHINE, 10 MILLIGRAMS, I BELIEVE THAT
      23    INDICATES THAT THE FIRST SHOT OF MORPHINE WAS AT 1930 HOURS?
      24    A.  CORRECT.
      25    Q.  SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 7:30?


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       1    A.  7:30 P.M., RIGHT.
       2    Q.  AND THE SECOND SHOT WAS GIVEN APPROXIMATELY 3:30,
       3    CORRECT?
       4    A.  RIGHT.
       5    Q.  SO THAT'S ABOUT THE SPACE IN WHICH THESE TWO SHOTS WERE
       6    GIVEN?
       7    A.  RIGHT.  ISN'T THAT EIGHT HOURS?
       8    Q.  MAYBE, APPROXIMATELY.  BASED ON RECEIVING THOSE TWO
       9    SHOTS, THE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE THAT HER RESPIRATIONS WOULD
      10    BE DEPRESSED, CORRECT?
      11    A.  THE LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE THAT THEY WEREN'T.
      12    Q.  BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED?
      13    A.  ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
      14    Q.  OKAY.
      15    A.  I DIDN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF IT, THOUGH.
      16    Q.  DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH ELLEN ANDERSON WEIGHED?
      17    A.  SHE WAS NOT A HUGE WOMAN.
      18    Q.  IF I TOLD YOU SHE WAS APPROXIMATELY 81 POUNDS, WOULD
      19    THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?
      20    A.  THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT.
      21    Q.  AND DO YOU RECALL APPROXIMATELY HOW OLD SHE WAS?
      22    A.  SHE WAS AN ELDERLY LADY.  SHE WAS -- LET'S SEE.  WHY
      23    DON'T YOU TELL ME?  OKAY.  91.
      24    Q.  91.  THAT'S CORRECT.  SO 91 YEARS OLD AND 81 POUNDS.  81
      25    POUNDS IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SMALL CHILD, ISN'T IT?


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       1    A.  DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOUR CHILD IS.
       2    Q.  ABOUT A TEENAGER?
       3    A.  I'VE GOT A TEENAGER THAT WEIGHS 81 POUNDS.
       4    Q.  OKAY.  AND BASED ON AGE AND SO FORTH, YOU DON'T FEEL
       5    THAT TWO TEN-MILLIGRAM SHOTS WOULD HAVE AFFECTED HER HEART
       6    CONDITION AT THAT TIME?
       7    A.  NO, I DON'T.  I'VE GIVEN THAT AMOUNT TO AN AWFUL LOT OF
       8    81 POUND PATIENTS.
       9    Q.  HOW DOES PNEUMONIA CAUSE DEATH?
      10    A.  THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT IT CAN CAUSE DEATH.
      11    Q.  AND HOW IS THAT?
      12    A.  WELL, IT CAN CAUSE DEATH BY AFFECTING OXYGENATION, WHICH
      13    THEN AFFECTS THE HEART.  IT CAN CAUSE DEATH BASED UPON
      14    INFECTION, AN INFECTIOUS PROCESS, BY THE INFECTION RAPIDLY
      15    PROGRESSING AND PRODUCING TOXINS AND ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE
      16    HEART.
      17    Q.  OKAY.  AND ONE OF THE WAYS IT CAN DO THAT IS BY CAUSING
      18    PROBLEMS WITH BREATHING, CORRECT?
      19    A.  CORRECT.
      20    Q.  SO IF ONE WERE TO GIVE A SUPPRESSANT DRUG LIKE MORPHINE,
      21    OR SOME OF THE OTHER DRUGS THAT SUPPRESS BREATHING, MORPHINE
      22    CAN COMPLICATE IT?
      23    A.  COMPLICATE IT BEING --
      24    Q.  COMPLICATE THE BREATHING PROBLEM AND AGGRAVATE THE
      25    PNEUMONIA, I GUESS?


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       1    A.  I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD AGGRAVATE THE PNEUMONIA.
       2    ASSUMING IT WAS HAVING A RESPIRATORY EFFECT IT COULD PLAY A
       3    ROLE, BUT I DON'T SEE EVIDENCE OF THAT IN THIS CASE.
       4    Q.  OKAY.  NOW, YOU ALSO TESTIFIED THAT, TURNING TO PAGE --
       5    IN THE WHITE BOOK, I BELIEVE TOWARDS THE END, WILD NUMBER
       6    TWO.  MAYBE I'VE GOT THE WRONG ONE.  WILD NUMBER FOUR.  I'M
       7    SORRY.
       8    A.  OKAY.  I'M LOOKING AT THAT.
       9    Q.  OKAY.  NOW, YOU SAID THAT A PART OF YOUR DETERMINATION
      10    AS TO HER CAUSE OF DEATH WAS BASED ON THE ENTRY MADE AT
      11    11/18/95, IS THAT CORRECT?
      12    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      13    Q.  AND PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE IT INDICATES THERE APPEARED
      14    TO BE A TUMOR IN THE LUNG, IS THAT CORRECT?
      15    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      16    Q.  NOW, IF IT WERE -- IF DR. KELLER WERE TO TESTIFY IN
      17    COURT THAT AFTER REVIEW OF THOSE X-RAYS A SECOND TIME THERE
      18    WAS NO TUMOR ON THE LUNG, WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR OPINION AS
      19    TO ELLEN ANDERSON'S CAUSE OF DEATH?
      20    A.  NO.  WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE WASN'T A TUMOR ON THE
      21    LUNG.
      22    Q.  OKAY.  SO THERE WAS REALLY NO REASON TO MENTION THAT AS
      23    PART OF THE REASON FOR HER CAUSE OF DEATH ON DIRECT
      24    EXAMINATION?
      25    A.  WELL, NO.  THE POINT WAS THAT THERE WAS AN INFILTRATE.


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       1    THE FACT THAT DR. KELLER THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A TUMOR AND IT
       2    TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS PNEUMONIA --
       3    Q.  LET ME ASK YOU THIS.  IF DR. KELLER AND THE RADIOLOGIST
       4    WERE TO TESTIFY THAT THEY DID NOT DETERMINE THAT IT WAS
       5    PNEUMONIA --
       6    A.  THE PATHOLOGIST DID.
       7    Q.  BUT THIS WAS 11/18/95.  IF THEY TESTIFIED THAT THEIR
       8    DETERMINATION WAS IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH HER BREATHING, NOT
       9    BREATHING DEEP ENOUGH, WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR
      10    OPINION?
      11    A.  NOT GIVEN WHAT I KNOW OCCURRED SUBSEQUENTLY, IT
      12    WOULDN'T.
      13    Q.  SO IF SHE HAD -- WELL, SO YOU ALSO ARE AWARE OF THE
      14    AUTOPSY THAT WAS PERFORMED ON ELLEN ANDERSON?
      15    A.  RIGHT.  I WAS THERE.
      16    Q.  AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU ATTENDED THAT AUTOPSY ITSELF?
      17    A.  I DID.
      18    Q.  AND YOU'RE AWARE OF DR. GREY'S POSITION AS FAR AS THAT
      19    IS CONCERNED, CORRECT?
      20    A.  I READ HIS REPORT ON THE AUTOPSY, RIGHT.
      21    Q.  AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT HE TESTIFIED THAT HE -- THE
      22    CONDITIONS HE FOUND IN ELLEN ANDERSON WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN
      23    ACUTE SITUATION THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED DEATH?
      24    A.  I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.  I GUESS MY INTERPRETATION OF HIS
      25    OPINIONS WERE SOMEWHAT TO THE CONTRARY.


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       1    Q.  OKAY.  AND SO YOU WOULD DISAGREE IF HE TESTIFIED THAT
       2    THE PNEUMONIA HE FOUND IN ELLEN ANDERSON, AS A RESULT OF THE
       3    AUTOPSY, WAS NOT LIFE THREATENING?
       4             MR. STIRBA:  I OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION.
       5    HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COMMENT ON ANOTHER WITNESS'S TESTIMONY.
       6             THE COURT:  REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
       7    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  WOULD IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO YOUR
       8    OPINION IF YOU WERE TO KNOW THAT TODD GREY TESTIFIED THAT
       9    THE PNEUMONIA HE FOUND IN ELLEN ANDERSON'S LUNGS WAS NOT
      10    SUFFICIENT TO HAVE CAUSED DEATH?
      11    A.  I DON'T THINK SO.  MY TESTIMONY WAS THAT DEATH OCCURRED
      12    AS A RESULT OF THE PNEUMONIA SUPERIMPOSED ON A NUMBER OF
      13    OTHER THINGS.
      14    Q.  OKAY.  AND WOULD IT CHANGE YOUR OPINION IF YOU WERE TO
      15    KNOW THAT TODD GREY TESTIFIED THAT THE HEART CONDITION WAS
      16    NOT SUFFICIENT TO HAVE CAUSED HER DEATH?
      17    A.  NO, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE MY OPINION, FOR THE SAME REASON.
      18    Q.  OKAY.  WOULD IT CHANGE YOUR OPINION IF TODD GREY
      19    TESTIFIED THAT EVEN THE COMBINATION OF THOSE WOULDN'T HAVE
      20    CAUSED HER DEATH?
      21    A.  NO, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE MY OPINION.
      22    Q.  YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT ELLEN ANDERSON MAY
      23    HAVE HAD SOME CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE?
      24    A.  YES.
      25    Q.  AND IN FACT PEOPLE CAN LIVE FOR YEARS WITH CONGESTIVE


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       1    HEART FAILURE, IS THAT CORRECT?
       2    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
       3    Q.  AND OFTEN DO?
       4    A.  CORRECT.
       5    Q.  SO IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY, THEN, THAT ELLEN ANDERSON HAD
       6    ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS AND IT WAS JUST COINCIDENCE THAT SHE
       7    HAPPENED TO DIE AT THIS TIME IN THE HOSPITAL?
       8    A.  I WOULDN'T CALL IT COINCIDENCE.  IT'S MY OPINION THAT
       9    SOMEONE OF MRS. ANDERSON'S AGE AND HER COMBINED MEDICAL
      10    PROBLEMS WAS AT GREAT RISK OF NOT WAKING UP IN THE MORNING
      11    EVERY DAY, SO IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL.
      12    Q.  YOU, AS A DOCTOR WORKING IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, HAVE
      13    PATIENTS WHO DIE QUITE OFTEN, I ASSUME?
      14    A.  UNFORTUNATELY.
      15    Q.  YES.  AND WHEN YOU DO LOSE A PATIENT DO YOU DO ANYTHING
      16    AS FAR AS ANALYZING WHY THAT PATIENT DIED?
      17    A.  YES.
      18    Q.  DO YOU MAKE AN ANALYSIS AS TO WHAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE
      19    DIFFERENTLY FOR THAT PATIENT?
      20    A.  I DO LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF ANALYZING WHETHER THERE
      21    WERE ANY OTHER TREATMENT OPTIONS IN RETROSPECT THAT I MIGHT
      22    HAVE EMPLOYED.  BUT THAT IS NOT -- THAT ISN'T WHAT THE
      23    ANSWER TYPICALLY IS.
      24    Q.  BUT IF YOU WERE TO LOSE A SECOND PATIENT WITHIN A VERY
      25    SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UNDER SIMILAR CONDITIONS AS THE FIRST,


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       1    WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU SOME ALARM?
       2    A.  IF THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH BOTH PATIENTS EXPIRED WAS
       3    ONE IN WHICH THERE WAS GRAVE RISK OF THAT OCCURRING BASED
       4    UPON THEIR CONDITION, I'D FEEL BADLY BUT IT WOULDN'T CAUSE
       5    ME ANY ALARM BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY I SEE SICK PATIENTS.
       6    Q.  THAT'S TRUE.  AND SO IF YOU WOULD HAVE LOST MAYBE THREE
       7    OR FOUR PATIENTS WITHIN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, SAY
       8    WITHIN TWO WEEKS, WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU ANY ALARM?
       9             MR. STIRBA:  I'LL OBJECT.  RELEVANCY, YOUR HONOR.
      10             THE COURT:  SUSTAINED.
      11    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  LET'S MOVE ON TO MARY CRANE NOW.
      12    A.  OKAY.
      13    Q.  AS A PHYSICIAN ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS CALLED THE
      14    P.D.R.?
      15    A.  THAT'S THE BLUE BOOK IN ONE YEAR AND THE RED BOOK THE
      16    OTHER ONE?
      17    Q.  RIGHT.
      18    A.  THERE'S THE BLUE ONE.  I USE THAT BOOK ALL THE TIME.
      19    Q.  THAT IS BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT'S VERY STANDARD THAT
      20    DOCTORS USE, IS THAT CORRECT?
      21    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      22    Q.  AND IT'S CALLED THE PHYSICIANS DESK REFERENCE, IS THAT
      23    BASICALLY HOW YOU REFER TO IT?
      24    A.  YES.  WE REFER TO IT AS THE P.D.R., BUT THE OFFICIAL
      25    NAME IS THE PHYSICIANS DESK REFERENCE.


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       1    Q.  AND IN THIS REFERENCE, BASICALLY WHAT IT CONTAINS IS THE
       2    DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRUGS AND SO FORTH ON THINGS THAT ARE
       3    OUT?
       4    A.  WHAT YOU'RE HOLDING IS THE PRESCRIPTION VERSION OF THE
       5    P.D.R.  THERE'S ALSO A SKINNIER NONPRESCRIPTION ONE.  THE
       6    ONE YOU HAVE IS ALL THE DRUGS THAT REQUIRE PRESCRIPTIONS TO
       7    ADMINISTER.
       8    Q.  AND YOU USE THIS ALL THE TIME?
       9    A.  I DO.
      10    Q.  LET ME SHOW YOU THIS, WHICH IS THE PHYSICIANS DESK
      11    REFERENCE 1995.  NOW, YOU'RE AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, WITH MARY
      12    CRANE THAT UPON HER ADMISSION TO THE HOSPITAL SHE RECEIVED
      13    WHAT IS CALLED A DURAGESIC PATCH?
      14    A.  YES, I AM.
      15    Q.  AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH DURAGESIC PATCHES?
      16    A.  I AM.
      17    Q.  AND YOU USE THEM ON OCCASION?
      18    A.  I DON'T MUCH PRESCRIBE DURAGESIC PATCHES.  HOWEVER, I
      19    NOT INFREQUENTLY SEE PATIENTS PRESENTING WHO ARE WEARING ONE
      20    PRESCRIBED BY ANOTHER PHYSICIAN.
      21    Q.  OKAY.  AND THEY'RE FAIRLY STRONG PAINKILLERS, ARE THEY
      22    NOT?
      23    A.  THEY'RE NARCOTICS.  THEY'RE A TRANSDERMAL NARCOTIC
      24    SYSTEM.
      25    Q.  LET ME REFER YOU TO PAGE 1178 OF THE P.D.R.


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       1    A.  OKAY.
       2    Q.  AND INDICATE THAT THAT IS THE 1975 VERSION --
       3    A.  1995, YOU MEAN?
       4    Q.  YES.  WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE AT THE TIME OF
       5    THESE PATIENTS' DEATHS?
       6    A.  YES.
       7             THE COURT:  CAN YOU MAKE THAT ANY BIGGER SO IT CAN
       8    BE READ?
       9             MR. MAJOR:  I THINK SO.  I'M SORRY, JUDGE.
      10    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS THIS LITTLE
      11    AREA RIGHT HERE IN THE BOX.  THAT'S CIRCLED IN THE BOX
      12    BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS USUALLY CALLED PRECAUTIONARY
      13    LANGUAGE.  THAT TELLS THE PROBLEMS YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH THIS
      14    PARTICULAR DRUG?
      15    A.  RIGHT.
      16    Q.  AND IT'S PUT FIRST BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT THING
      17    THAT THEY WANT PHYSICIANS USING THIS TO BE AWARE OF, IS THAT
      18    CORRECT?
      19    A.  IS THAT WHY IT'S PUT FIRST?
      20    Q.  UH-HUH.
      21    A.  I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S PUT FIRST, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY
      22    THERE.
      23    Q.  OKAY.  AND RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING IT INDICATES
      24    SERIOUS OR LIFE THREATENING HYPERVENTILATION?
      25    A.  HYPO.


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       1    Q.  WHAT IS HYPOVENTILATION?
       2    A.  IT MEANS DECREASED VENTILATION.
       3    Q.  OKAY.  SO THAT MEANS RESPIRATIONS FALL DOWN, THAT TYPE
       4    OF THING?
       5    A.  DECREASED RESPIRATIONS, RIGHT.
       6    Q.  OKAY.  COULD OCCUR.  DURAGESIC IS CONTRADICTED.  WHAT
       7    DOES THAT MEAN?
       8    A.  CONTRAINDICATED.
       9    Q.  SORRY.  I CAN'T READ TODAY.  WHAT DOES CONTRAINDICATED
      10    MEAN?
      11    A.  IT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT INDICATED.
      12    Q.  OKAY.  THE FIRST ONE INDICATES MANAGEMENT OF ACUTE OR
      13    POST-OPERATIVE PAIN, CORRECT?
      14    A.  RIGHT.
      15    Q.  AND IN THE MANAGEMENT OF MILD OR INTERMITTENT PAIN,
      16    RESPONSIVE TO P.R.N. OR NONOPIOID THERAPY?
      17    A.  OPIOID.
      18    Q.  AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT IF YOU CAN CONTROL THE
      19    PAIN WITH OTHER MEANS DON'T USE A DURAGESIC PATCH, CORRECT?
      20    A.  NONOPIOID.  IN OTHER WORDS, NOT NARCOTIC.
      21    Q.  OKAY.
      22    A.  THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.
      23    Q.  RIGHT.  AND IN MARY CRANE'S SITUATION, YOU WERE AWARE
      24    THAT PRIOR TO HER COMING TO THE HOSPITAL SHE HAD HAD SOME
      25    CHRONIC BACK PROBLEMS, CORRECT?


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       1    A.  CORRECT.
       2    Q.  AND YOU WERE ALSO AWARE THAT PRIOR TO HER COMING TO THIS
       3    HOSPITAL SHE HAD BEEN RECEIVING LORTAB AND HYDROCODONE FOR
       4    THE TREATMENT OF THAT PAIN?
       5    A.  RIGHT.
       6    Q.  AND SHE HAD BEEN RECEIVING APPROXIMATELY ONE 5-MILLIGRAM
       7    TABLET EVERY DAY?
       8    A.  CORRECT.
       9    Q.  MAYBE 30 TABLETS EVERY 35 DAYS, SOMETHING OF THAT
      10    NATURE?
      11    A.  YES.
      12    Q.  FIVE MILLIGRAMS OF HYDROCODONE -- I SHOULD SAY LORTAB.
      13    THAT IS A FAIRLY SMALL DOSE, ISN'T IT?
      14    A.  IT'S NOT A -- IT'S A MODEST DOSE, A TYPICAL DOSE.
      15    Q.  ONE OF THE SMALLER DOSES?
      16    A.  IT ONLY COMES IN TWO SIZES.  FIVE AND SEVEN AND A HALF.
      17    Q.  OKAY.  SO SHE'D BEEN RECEIVING THE LOWEST DOSE?
      18    A.  THE LOWER OF THE TWO, RIGHT.
      19    Q.  AND IT WAS ON A P.R.N., WHICH MEANS AS NEEDED FOR PAIN?
      20    A.  RIGHT.
      21    Q.  AND THERE WERE OCCASIONS WHEN THE NURSES DID NOT GIVE IT
      22    BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T NEED THE PILL FOR THE PAIN, CORRECT?
      23    A.  RIGHT.
      24    Q.  LET'S GO ON TO READ FURTHER.  SPECIFICALLY LET'S GO DOWN
      25    TO THE LAST DOT.


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       1    A.  OKAY.
       2    Q.  "REQUIRES CONTINUOUS OPIOID ADMINISTRATION.  THE 50, 75
       3    AND 100 MICROGRAM PER HOUR DOSAGES SHOULD ONLY BE USED IN
       4    PATIENTS WHO ARE ALREADY ON AND ARE TOLERANT TO OPIOID
       5    THERAPY"?
       6    A.  YES.
       7    Q.  AND IN FACT MARY CRANE WAS NOT OPIOID TOLERANT?
       8    A.  NO.  I WOULD INCLUDE THE NARCOTIC HYDROCODONE AS AN
       9    OPIOID EQUIVALENT.
      10    Q.  OKAY.  AND SO YOU WOULD INDICATE THAT BECAUSE SHE'D BEEN
      11    RECEIVING THAT, THE 50-MILLIGRAM PATCH WOULD HAVE BEEN A
      12    PROPER AMOUNT FOR HER SITUATION?
      13             MR. STIRBA:  I'M GOING TO OBJECT.  I THINK THAT'S
      14    BEYOND THE SCOPE OF HIS TESTIMONY AND IS IRRELEVANT.
      15             THE COURT:  CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?
      16             THE WITNESS:  YES.
      17             THE COURT:  GO AHEAD.
      18    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  WOULD YOU INDICATE, THEN, BASED ON YOUR
      19    REVIEW OF THE RECORDS, WAS A 50-MILLIGRAM PATCH PROPER IN
      20    THIS CASE?
      21    A.  YES.
      22    Q.  AND LET ME SHOW YOU, GOING OVER TO PAGE 1179, RIGHT
      23    UNDER PRECAUTIONS WHERE IT SAYS GENERAL, THAT INDICATES THAT
      24    "DURAGESIC DOSES GREATER THAN 25 MICROGRAMS PER HOUR ARE TOO
      25    HIGH FOR INITIATION OF THERAPY IN NONOPIOID TOLERANT


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       1    PATIENTS AND SHOULD NOT BE USED TO BEGIN DURAGESIC THERAPY
       2    IN THESE PATIENTS"?
       3    A.  THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, YES.
       4    Q.  SO EVEN AT THAT POINT IT INDICATES THAT THE 25-MILLIGRAM
       5    PATCH WOULD BE A LOT FOR AN OPIOID NONTOLERANT PERSON,
       6    CORRECT?
       7    A.  WHICH SHE WASN'T.  SHE WAS NOT -- SHE DIDN'T FALL INTO
       8    THAT CATEGORY.  IT SAYS GREATER THAN THE 25 MICS, SO I GUESS
       9    THEY MEAN 50 AND UP.  BUT SHE WAS -- I WOULD CERTAINLY
      10    CLASSIFY HER AS AN OPIOID TOLERANT PATIENT BASED UPON THE
      11    SIGNIFICANT DURATION OF TIME THAT SHE RECEIVED HYDROCODONE.
      12    Q.  OKAY.
      13    A.  WHICH IS PROBABLY THE. . .
      14    Q.  AND MOVING UP A LITTLE BIT, IF I CAN FIT IT ALL ON HERE,
      15    IT ALSO INDICATES THAT "DURAGESIC SHOULD BE PRESCRIBED ONLY
      16    BY PERSONS KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE CONTINUOUS ADMINISTRATION OF
      17    POTENT OPIOIDS AND THE MANAGEMENT OF PATIENTS RECEIVING
      18    POTENT OPIOIDS FOR TREATMENT OF PAIN AND IN THEIR DETECTION
      19    AND MANAGEMENT OF HYPOVENTILATION," IS THAT CORRECT?
      20    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      21    Q.  IT ALSO GOES ON AND SAYS DEPRESSANTS, INCLUDING OTHER
      22    OPIATES, OPIOIDS, SEDATIVES OR HYPNOTICS, GENERAL
      23    ANESTHESIAS, AND HOW IS THAT NEXT WORD SAID?
      24    A.  PHENOTHIAZINES.
      25    Q.  OKAY.  TRANQUILIZERS, SKELETAL MUSCLES.  THAT'S USUALLY


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       1    MUSCLE RELAXANTS?
       2    A.  SKELETAL MUSCLE RELAXANTS, YES.
       3    Q.  "SEDATING ANTIHISTAMINES AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MAY
       4    PRODUCE ADDITIVE DEPRESSANT EFFECTS.  HYPOVENTILATION,
       5    HYPOTENSION AND PROFOUND SEDATION OR COMA MAY OCCUR."
       6    A.  THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
       7    Q.  SO WHAT IT IS BASICALLY SAYING IS IF YOU USE THE
       8    DURAGESIC PATCH AND USE THESE OTHER SEDATIVE TYPE DRUGS, YOU
       9    HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT CAN LOWER YOUR BREATHING, CAN
      10    LOWER YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE, AND CAN CAUSE PROFOUND SEDATION
      11    OR COMA, CORRECT?
      12    A.  THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
      13    Q.  WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
      14    A.  PARTLY.  THE INFORMATION IN THE P.D.R. IS SUPPLIED BY
      15    THE MANUFACTURER.  IN ALMOST EVERY CASE THE WARNINGS ARE
      16    OVERSTATED TO PROTECT THE MANUFACTURER FROM CLAIMS SHOULD
      17    COMPLICATIONS OCCUR.  SO IN MY OPINION YOU LOOK THROUGH THE
      18    P.D.R. AND -- I MEAN, IF YOU JUST READ THE P.D.R. YOU
      19    WOULDN'T GIVE ANY DRUGS TO ANYBODY.  THEY'RE ALL TOO SCARY
      20    AND CAUSE DEATH.
      21         BUT THIS SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.  MANY OF THESE
      22    PATIENTS ARE PRESCRIBED THIS IN OUTPATIENT SETTINGS WHERE
      23    NOT ONLY AREN'T THEY IN THE HOSPITAL, THEY'RE NOT IN THE
      24    NURSING HOME, SO THEY'RE UNDER NO SUPERVISION, NO
      25    MONITORING, NO NURSES TO TAKE THEIR VITAL SIGNS.  HERE WE


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       1    HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION.  THIS LADY WAS AN INPATIENT.
       2    Q.  BUT WOULD YOU -- IT TALKS ABOUT "WHEN SUCH COMBINED
       3    THERAPY IS CONTEMPLATED DOSES OF ONE OR BOTH AGENTS SHOULD
       4    BE REDUCED AT LEAST 50 PERCENT?"
       5    A.  THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
       6    Q.  AND ARE YOU ALSO AWARE, BASED ON WHAT IS CONTAINED IN
       7    THE P.D.R., GOING OVER TO PAGE 181, RIGHT THERE WHERE IT
       8    TALKS ABOUT TABLE C?
       9    A.  YES.
      10    Q.  AND THAT'S THE RECOMMENDED DURAGESIC DOSE BASED UPON A
      11    DAILY ORAL DOSE OF MORPHINE, CORRECT?
      12    A.  YES.
      13    Q.  AND THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT A 50-MICROGRAM DURAGESIC
      14    PATCH HAS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AS 135 TO 224 MICROGRAMS,
      15    OR MILLIGRAMS, OF MORPHINE?
      16    A.  MILLIGRAMS, RIGHT.
      17    Q.  AND 75 WOULD GO UP TO ALMOST 314, CORRECT?
      18    A.  CORRECT.
      19    Q.  ARE YOU AWARE, BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE RECORDS, THAT
      20    AFTER PLACING THE DURAGESIC PATCH ON MARY CRANE, DR. WEITZEL
      21    ORDERED ADDITIONAL SEDATING DRUGS?
      22    A.  I BELIEVE THAT ADDITIONAL MEDICATIONS WERE ORDERED AFTER
      23    THE PATCH WAS IN PLACE.
      24    Q.  AND YOU ALSO ARE AWARE THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME HE
      25    INCREASED THE PATCH FROM 50 MILLIGRAMS TO 75?


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       1    A.  I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
       2    Q.  AND EVEN AFTER HE'D INCREASED IT TO 75 HE STILL ORDERED
       3    THE USE OF MORPHINE?
       4    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
       5    Q.  AND IN FACT, HAVING INCREASED THE PATCH TO 75 MICROGRAMS
       6    AND INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS OF MORPHINE, THAT COULD
       7    HAVE CAUSED A COMATOSE STATE IN MARY CRANE BASED ON WHAT THE
       8    P.D.R. SAYS?
       9    A.  I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
      10    Q.  YOU DON'T AGREE IT WOULD HAVE LOWERED HER BLOOD
      11    PRESSURE?
      12    A.  IT MIGHT HAVE LOWERED HER BLOOD PRESSURE IN AN AMOUNT
      13    THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WAS CLINICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
      14    Q.  OKAY.  AND LOWERED HER BREATHING?
      15    A.  I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES THAT AT ALL.
      16    Q.  OKAY.  AND SO IF IT'S INDICATED THAT IT COULD CAUSE
      17    HYPOTENSION, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM?
      18    A.  WELL, THE FACT THAT --
      19    Q.  HYPOVENTILATION, SORRY.
      20    A.  YEAH.  THE P.D.R. IS APPROPRIATELY INFORMING USERS OF
      21    THE RISKS.  IT MAY DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.  I THINK THAT'S
      22    WHY YOU GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL AND GAIN EXPERIENCE IN
      23    PRACTICE, BECAUSE AS YOU BEGIN A TREATMENT PLAN YOU
      24    ADMINISTER MEDICATIONS AND THEN YOU REASSESS THE SITUATION.
      25    IF THE AMOUNT OF MEDICATION THAT YOU STARTED WITH WAS NOT


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       1    SUFFICIENT IN YOUR JUDGMENT TO PRODUCE THE DESIRED EFFECT,
       2    THEN YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE.  IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THAT WAS
       3    THE PATTERN OF TREATMENT IN THIS CASE.
       4    Q.  NOW, WITH MARY CRANE, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU FOUND THERE
       5    WAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH SEPSIS, IS THAT CORRECT?
       6    A.  YEAH.  THE PROBLEM WAS THAT SHE DIED OF IT.
       7    Q.  AND YOU'RE AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, THAT WITH SEPSIS, AS I
       8    UNDERSTAND IT, THE BACTERIA OR INFECTION GETS INTO THE BLOOD
       9    STREAM?
      10    A.  AND OVERWHELMS THE SYSTEM, RIGHT.
      11    Q.  GOES INTO THE ORGANS, SO FORTH?
      12    A.  YES.
      13    Q.  AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSES DEATH?
      14    A.  YES.
      15    Q.  ARE YOU ALSO AWARE THAT THE AUTOPSY THAT WAS PERFORMED
      16    BY DR. FRIKKE, SHE DID NOT FIND ANY INDICATIONS OF SEPSIS IN
      17    THE BODY?
      18    A.  SEPSIS IS NOT AN ANATOMIC CONDITION, BUT RATHER A
      19    PHYSIOLOGIC CONDITION, SO IT'S UNLIKE MYOCARDIAL INFARCTIONS
      20    OR STROKES OR THAT SORT OF THING.  YOU OFTEN DON'T SEE
      21    ANATOMIC CHANGES AS FOOTPRINTS OF SEPSIS AS YOU WOULD IN
      22    OTHER SITUATIONS.  SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME, NO.
      23    Q.  SO IF DR. FRIKKE INDICATES THAT SHE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED
      24    TO FIND IT IN THE TISSUES, YOU WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT?
      25    A.  IT BEING?


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       1    Q.  THE SEPSIS, THE INFECTION?
       2    A.  WELL, THERE AREN'T -- YOU WOULD SEE CHANGES PERHAPS IN
       3    THE TISSUES WHERE THE INFECTION ORIGINATED, BUT IN TERMS OF
       4    THE CHEMICAL CHANGES AND THE PHYSIOLOGIC CHANGES THAT OCCUR
       5    THAT WOULD SHUT DOWN THE VITAL ORGANS, THERE REALLY WOULDN'T
       6    BE ANYTHING.  YOU WOULDN'T SEE BACTERIA, FOR INSTANCE.
       7    SEPSIS DOESN'T WORK BY -- YOU DON'T RECOVER BACTERIA FROM
       8    THE HEART OR LUNGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  THAT'S NOT HOW
       9    IT WORKS.
      10    Q.  BUT WHEN THE BACTERIA AFFECTS THE TISSUES OF THE HEART
      11    OR LIVER OR LUNGS, THAT CHANGE IN THE TISSUE WOULD BE
      12    EVIDENT?
      13    A.  IF IT'S ACUTE ENOUGH.  IT DEPENDS.  FOR INSTANCE, IF THE
      14    SEPSIS KILLED THE KIDNEY AND THEN THE PATIENT DIED YOU'D SEE
      15    A DEAD KIDNEY.  THE SAME THING WITH THE LIVER.  IF, ON THE
      16    OTHER HAND, THE SEPSIS RESULTED IN DEATH ACUTELY FROM
      17    AFFECTING THE HEART AND CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, YOU WOULDN'T
      18    NECESSARILY SEE FINDINGS.  I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED
      19    HERE.
      20    Q.  OKAY.  BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT?
      21    A.  I DON'T KNOW THAT?
      22    Q.  WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU'RE NOT TRAINED AS A
      23    PATHOLOGIST LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, DR. FRIKKE?
      24    A.  I DON'T THINK DR. FRIKKE KNEW WHY SHE DIED EITHER, AS I
      25    REVIEWED THE AUTOPSY.


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       1    Q.  BUT SHE DID INDICATE IN HER TESTIMONY THAT SHE DIDN'T
       2    FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT SHE DIED OF SEPSIS?
       3    A.  THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING THAT SHE DIDN'T DIE
       4    OF SEPSIS.  THE FACT THAT THERE WASN'T ANATOMIC EVIDENCE
       5    ISN'T THE SAME THING AS SHE DIDN'T DIE OF IT.
       6    Q.  OKAY.  LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THEN.  MOVING ON, WE ALSO
       7    TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VAGINAL FISTULA THAT WAS
       8    PRESENT IN MARY CRANE?
       9    A.  YES.
      10    Q.  ON THE DATE THAT IT WAS INITIALLY DISCOVERED, 1/2 OF
      11    '96, THE NOTE -- TURN TO PAGE 244 UNDER MARY CRANE.
      12    A.  ALL RIGHT.
      13    Q.  OKAY.  AT THE BOTTOM IS THE NOTE GIVEN BY DR. MEEKS, IS
      14    THAT CORRECT?
      15    A.  RIGHT.  IT WAS ACTUALLY DISCOVERED THE DAY BEFORE ON
      16    1/1.
      17    Q.  BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME DR. MEEKS HAD NOT INDICATED
      18    THAT THERE WAS ANY INFECTION OR NECESSARILY ANY IMMEDIATE
      19    NEED TO TREAT INFECTION, CORRECT?
      20    A.  THE NOTE IS PRETTY MINIMAL.  HE DOESN'T COMMENT UPON
      21    WHAT HIS FEELINGS ARE REGARDING WHETHER INFECTION IS
      22    ESTABLISHED OR NOT.  AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WHEN YOU'VE
      23    GOT THAT CONDITION GOING ON, BY DEFINITION THERE'S
      24    INFECTION.  THERE'S NOTHING BUT BACTERIA IN STOOL AND IT'S
      25    NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE VAGINA.


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       1    Q.  SO, THEN, ON PAGE 243, WHICH IS THE PAGE BEFORE THAT,
       2    WHERE LYNN LONG ACTUALLY NOTES THE DISCOVERY OF THE PROBLEM,
       3    SHE INDICATES "STABLE AT THIS TIME AND NO INFECTION
       4    INDICATED," CORRECT?
       5    A.  MY READING OF THAT IS THAT --
       6    Q.  I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO INTERPRET IT.  THIS IS THE RECORD
       7    AND THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN.  THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS?
       8    A.  WHAT IT SAYS IS --
       9             THE COURT:  HOLD ON.  LET'S HAVE A QUESTION.
      10    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  WHAT IT INDICATES OR SAYS THERE IS THAT
      11    SHE'S STABLE.  "PATIENT'S VITALS SIGNS ARE STABLE AT THIS
      12    TIME AND NO INFECTION IS INDICATED," IS THAT CORRECT?
      13    A.  BASED UPON THE VITALS.
      14    Q.  OKAY.  AND THEN IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE DAYS, TWO DAYS
      15    LATER, WHEN THE ANTIBIOTIC WAS FINALLY ORDERED IN THE
      16    MATTER?
      17    A.  FOUR DAYS LATER, I THINK.  ON THE 5TH, WASN'T IT?
      18    Q.  AFTER THIS POINT IN TIME, AFTER IT WAS FIRST DISCOVERED
      19    ON 1/1/96, THERE'S NO INDICATION IN THE RECORD THAT THERE
      20    WAS ANY -- THAT THERE WAS ANY OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THE
      21    FISTULA, IS THAT CORRECT?
      22    A.  I DON'T THINK SO, ACTUALLY.  I THINK THAT THINGS WEREN'T
      23    EXPLOSIVELY EVIDENT, BUT I THINK --
      24    Q.  I'M TALKING ABOUT -- MAYBE TO CHANGE THE QUESTION.  WHAT
      25    I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THERE IS NO OTHER INDICATION IN


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       1    THE NOTES THAT THEY FOUND STOOL INSIDE THE VAGINA AFTER THIS
       2    DATE?
       3    A.  WHICH DATE WAS THAT AGAIN?
       4    Q.  AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 1996?
       5    A.  THEY DID ON THE 2ND, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE O.B. G.Y.N SAW
       6    HER.  THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN -- THERE HAD TO BE STOOL IN THE
       7    VAGINA WHENEVER THERE WAS STOOL IN THE COLON, BECAUSE THERE
       8    IS A DIRECT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO.  I MEAN, THE
       9    FISTULA ISN'T GOING TO HEAL IN A DAY OR TWO.
      10    Q.  WE DON'T HOW BIG THE FISTULA WAS?
      11    A.  BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE GROSS STOOL IN THE COLON.
      12    Q.  AND WE ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WAS PRESENT IN MARY
      13    CRANE, DO WE?  I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD TO
      14    INDICATE THAT -- THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY OBSERVED IT,
      15    BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD INDICATING THAT SHE DIDN'T
      16    HAVE THIS PROBLEM PRIOR TO THIS TIME?
      17    A.  RIGHT.  SHE MAY HAVE.
      18    Q.  OKAY.
      19             THE COURT:  IS THIS A GOOD POINT TO MAYBE TAKE A
      20    SHORT BREAK?
      21             MR. MAJOR:  IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME, YOUR HONOR.
      22             THE COURT:  LET'S COME BACK -- LET'S TAKE ABOUT TEN
      23    MINUTES.  COME BACK AT 4:15.  DURING THAT TIME REMEMBER THAT
      24    IT'S YOUR DUTY NOT TO CONVERSE AMONG YOURSELVES OR CONVERSE
      25    ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE TRIAL.  IT'S ALSO YOUR DUTY NOT TO


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       1    FORM OR EXPRESS AN OPINION UNTIL THE CASE IS FINALLY
       2    SUBMITTED TO YOU.  IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME BACK AT 4:15.
       3                                             (SHORT RECESS.)
       4             THE COURT:  YOU SAY YOU NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING?
       5             MR. STIRBA:  YES, YOUR HONOR.  I JUST WANT TO MAKE
       6    A QUICK RECORD.  IT WAS THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING HIS
       7    TESTIMONY ABOUT MR. ALLDREDGE.  WHAT THE ISSUE IS, HE
       8    ACTUALLY WENT AND SAW THE FILM OF THE M.R.I.  I WAS GOING TO
       9    ASK HIM IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE USED FOR PURPOSES OF
      10    HIS OPINION.
      11         I REALIZE IT ISN'T EVIDENCE IN THE COURTROOM, BUT IT IS
      12    PART OF THE HOSPITAL RECORD.  I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY
      13    SOMETHING AN EXPERT CAN RELY UPON.  I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE
      14    COULD GET IT HERE AND HE CAN REVIEW IT HERE.  IN ANY EVENT,
      15    WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE ISSUE.  I JUST WANTED
      16    TO MAKE A RECORD ON IT AND SEE IF I CAN MAYBE EXPLORE THAT
      17    WITH HIM AND MAYBE USE THE M.R.I. AT SOME LATER POINT.
      18             THE COURT:  THIS IS THE M.R.I. WHERE WE HAVE THE
      19    WRITTEN REPORT?
      20             MR. STIRBA:  RIGHT.  HE DID LOOK AT THE ACTUAL
      21    FILM.
      22             MR. MAJOR:  MY RESPONSE IS I DON'T THINK WE'VE LAID
      23    A FOUNDATION WITH THIS DOCTOR THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY TO
      24    READ THE ACTUAL M.R.I. FILM.  IF WE LAID THAT FOUNDATION,
      25    AND IT'S SUFFICIENT, AND HE'S DONE ENOUGH OF THEM, THEN I


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       1    GOES WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION.  MY REAL OBJECTION WAS
       2    THAT THERE'S NO FOUNDATION TO HIS ABILITY AS A RADIOLOGIST
       3    TO INTERPRET THOSE FILMS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE HAD A
       4    RADIOLOGIST WITH 11 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.  WITHOUT A
       5    FOUNDATION FOR HIS EXPERIENCE, THAT WAS MY OBJECTION.
       6             THE COURT:  OKAY.  IT'S A QUESTION OF FOUNDATION.
       7    WHILE WE HAVE THE BREAK, BEFORE THE JURY COMES BACK, I HAVE
       8    PREPARED SOME JURY INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE SOME OF THE GENERAL
       9    JURY INSTRUCTIONS THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED.  AND SO WHEN
      10    WE DISCUSS THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS LATER, ON JULY 3RD, WE'LL
      11    DISCUSS THE ONES BOTH SIDES HAVE PRESENTED.  I MADE TWO
      12    COPIES FOR EACH SIDE.  I'LL ASK THE BAILIFF TO GIVE THOSE TO
      13    YOU.
      14         ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS BEFORE THE JURY COMES IN?
      15    OKAY.  IF WE CAN HAVE THE JURY BACK IN, PLEASE.
      16                          (JURY RETURNED TO THE COURTROOM.)
      17             THE COURT:  THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT THE JURY
      18    HAS RETURNED.  MR. MAJOR, YOU MAY CONTINUE.
      19             MR. MAJOR:  THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
      20    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  DOCTOR, I'D LIKE TO TURN NOW AT THIS
      21    POINT TO ENNIS ALLDREDGE.
      22    A.  OKAY.
      23    Q.  YOU'RE AWARE, DOCTOR, THAT -- YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE
      24    AUTOPSY REPORT, IS THAT CORRECT?
      25    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.


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       1    Q.  AND YOU'RE ALSO AWARE THAT DR. GREY PERFORMED THAT
       2    AUTOPSY AND TESTIFIED THAT THE CONDITIONS HE FOUND ON THAT
       3    AUTOPSY, CONCERNING THE HEART AND LUNGS AND SO FORTH,
       4    WOULDN'T HAVE CAUSED HIS DEATH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT?
       5    A.  HIS TESTIMONY, NO.  I'M JUST FAMILIAR WITH THE REPORT.
       6    Q.  OKAY.  YOU'RE ALSO FAMILIAR, ARE YOU NOT, BASED ON THE
       7    AUTOPSY, THAT HE DID NOT FIND ANY INDICATION OF A STROKE?
       8    A.  I TESTIFIED ON DIRECT EXAM THAT THE PART OF THE BRAIN
       9    THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WAS -- HAD DETERIORATED SUCH
      10    THAT THAT COULDN'T BE FOUND.
      11    Q.  NOW, THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR OPINION BASED ON READING HIS
      12    AUTOPSY REPORT?
      13    A.  YES.
      14    Q.  YOU DID NOT ATTEND THIS AUTOPSY?
      15    A.  CORRECT.
      16    Q.  YOU'RE NOT A PATHOLOGIST OR MEDICAL EXAMINER?
      17    A.  CORRECT.
      18    Q.  YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EXPERTISE IN DOING THAT?
      19    A.  I ACTUALLY, SURPRISING ENOUGH, DO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE IN
      20    DOING AUTOPSIES.
      21    Q.  SO YOU HAVE PERFORMED AUTOPSIES YOURSELF?
      22    A.  I HAVE.
      23    Q.  AND WHEN WAS THAT?
      24    A.  QUITE A WHILE AGO.
      25    Q.  HOW LONG AGO?


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       1    A.  WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER CENTURY, BUT IT WAS BACK IN
       2    MEDICAL SCHOOL, ABOUT THE EARLY SEVENTIES.
       3    Q.  OKAY.  BUT SINCE THEN YOU'VE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN
       4    PERFORMING AUTOPSIES YOURSELF?
       5    A.  NO.  I'VE ATTENDED BUT NOT PERFORMED, THAT'S RIGHT.
       6    Q.  AND HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN PERFORMING AN AUTOPSY
       7    ON A BODY THAT'S BEEN INTERRED AND THEN EXHUMED?
       8    A.  I THINK SO.
       9    Q.  WHEN WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN?
      10    A.  BACK AT THE TIME I REFERENCED.
      11    Q.  OKAY.  NOW, MOVING ON REAL QUICK TO JUDITH LARSEN,
      12    YOU'RE ALSO AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, THAT TODD GREY CONDUCTED AN
      13    AUTOPSY REPORT ON JUDITH LARSEN?
      14    A.  RIGHT.
      15    Q.  AND YOU'RE ALSO AWARE THAT HIS RESULTS INDICATED THAT
      16    SHE DID DIE FROM MORPHINE INTOXICATION, CORRECT?
      17    A.  I'M AWARE THAT THAT WAS HIS OPINION.
      18    Q.  YOU'RE ALSO AWARE THAT HE TESTIFIED HE DID NOT FIND ANY
      19    OTHER CAUSE OF DEATH OTHER THAN THE MORPHINE INTOXICATION,
      20    CORRECT?
      21    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      22    Q.  YOU ALSO TESTIFIED -- YOU INDICATED THAT BASED ON YOUR
      23    REVIEW OF THE MEDICAL RECORDS YOU FELT THAT JUDITH LARSEN
      24    HAD SUFFERED A STROKE IN THE PAST, PRIOR TO COMING TO THE
      25    DAVIS NORTH HOSPITAL, IS THAT CORRECT?


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       1    A.  SHE HAD SUFFERED AT LEAST THREE DOCUMENTED STROKES.
       2    THAT'S WHAT I TESTIFIED, RIGHT.
       3    Q.  OKAY.  AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE WAS A C.A.T. SCAN, OR
       4    AN IMAGING, MADE OF JUDITH LARSEN IN JANUARY OF 1995?
       5    A.  YES.
       6    Q.  AND ONE IN AUGUST OF 1995?
       7    A.  YES.
       8    Q.  AND ONE IN SEPTEMBER OF 1995?
       9    A.  YES.
      10    Q.  ARE YOU AWARE THAT HER TREATING PHYSICIANS, DR. STEVENS
      11    AND DR. PEARCE, TESTIFIED THAT THE C.A.T.S THAT WERE
      12    PREPARED IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER SHOWED NO SIGNIFICANT
      13    CHANGE IN HER CONDITION?
      14    A.  NOT IN HER CONDITION, BUT -- THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT
      15    CHANGE IN THE IMAGES, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME?
      16    Q.  I SHOULD SAY THAT, YES, THE IMAGES.
      17    A.  I WASN'T HERE DURING THEIR TESTIMONY SO I DON'T KNOW
      18    THAT.
      19    Q.  IF THEY TESTIFIED TO THAT WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE
      20    IN YOUR OPINION AS TO HER CAUSE OF DEATH?
      21    A.  NO.  THEIR CLINICAL IMPRESSION, THERE WAS NO QUESTION
      22    THAT IN AUGUST SHE'D STROKED.
      23    Q.  AND WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR OPINION IF A
      24    RADIOLOGIST WERE TO TESTIFY THAT HE COMPARED THE C.A.T.
      25    SCANS IN JANUARY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AND THE ONE AT THE


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       1    HOSPITAL AND ALSO FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE
       2    IMAGING?
       3    A.  NO, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE IT AT ALL.
       4    Q.  SO YOU STILL FEEL THAT SHE WOULD HAVE HAD THREE STROKES
       5    PRIOR TO COMING TO THE HOSPITAL?
       6    A.  SHE DEFINITELY HAD THREE STROKES PRIOR TO COMING TO THE
       7    HOSPITAL.
       8    Q.  NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, IN DEALING WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE
       9    IN GIVING MORPHINE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
      10    THAT MORPHINE CAN CAUSE.  ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU DEAL WITH
      11    DOING MORPHINE IS THE FACT THAT YOU OBSERVE THE PATIENT ONCE
      12    THE MORPHINE IS GIVEN, IS THAT CORRECT?
      13    A.  RIGHT.
      14    Q.  AND WE MAKE -- AND WE RELY ON THE NURSES TO MAKE AN
      15    ASSESSMENT OF THE EFFECTS OF THE MORPHINE?
      16    A.  WHOEVER THE OBSERVER IS.  MOST COMMONLY THE NURSES,
      17    RIGHT.
      18    Q.  AND IF THEY SEE A PROBLEM, THEN IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING
      19    THAT THEY TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION, CORRECT?
      20    A.  THAT'S RIGHT.
      21    Q.  AND THAT'S BASED ON THEIR TAKING THE VITAL SIGNS,
      22    BREATHING, PULSE, SO FORTH?
      23    A.  THAT AND JUST GENERAL AND SPECIFIC CLINICAL
      24    OBSERVATIONS, RIGHT.
      25    Q.  LET ME SHOW YOU -- LET'S GO TO JUDITH LARSEN IN THE


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       1    BROWN FOLDER THERE.
       2    A.  THE GRAY?
       3    Q.  THE GRAY, YES.  IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO FIVE O'CLOCK.  I
       4    APOLOGIZE, DOCTOR.  MY EYES ARE NOT DISTINGUISHING TODAY.
       5    A.  OKAY.  I HAVE THAT NOW.
       6    Q.  TURN TO PAGE 507.
       7    A.  OKAY.  WHICH TAB WOULD THAT BE UNDER?
       8    Q.  THE MEDS, I BELIEVE.
       9    A.  OKAY.
      10    Q.  AND LET ME SHOW YOU --
      11    A.  I'VE GOT 507 NOW.
      12    Q.  OKAY.  IN LOOKING AT THAT EXHIBIT, IT INDICATES M.S.,
      13    FIVE MILLIGRAMS EVERY THREE HOURS, ROUTINE ROUND THE CLOCK,
      14    CORRECT?
      15    A.  CORRECT.
      16    Q.  AND THEN AT 030 ON THE 3RD, IN THIS COLUMN RIGHT HERE,
      17    THERE'S AN INITIAL WITH A CIRCLE AROUND IT.  DOES THAT
      18    INDICATE TO YOU, DOCTOR, THAT THAT SHOT WAS NOT GIVEN?
      19    A.  I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT INDICATES.
      20    Q.  OKAY.  SO YOU'RE NOT AWARE THAT IF A NURSE WERE TO PLACE
      21    A CIRCLE AROUND HER INITIALS IT WOULD INDICATE THAT A SHOT
      22    WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN?
      23    A.  DIFFERENT HOSPITALS AND DIFFERENT NURSES USE DIFFERENT
      24    SORTS OF CONVENTIONS, IF YOU WILL, OVER DIFFERENT TIMES.  IF
      25    I WORKED THERE I'D KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.


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       1    Q.  OKAY.  LET'S NOT GET INTO THAT IF YOU'RE UNSURE WHAT
       2    THAT MEANS.  LET'S MOVE TO LYDIA SMITH.  JUST QUICKLY LET ME
       3    ASK YOU THIS.  YOU MENTIONED THAT LYDIA SMITH, ON YOUR
       4    DIRECT EXAMINATION, HAD A RECENT STROKE WHICH OCCURRED IN
       5    NOVEMBER OF 1995, I BELIEVE?
       6    A.  RIGHT.
       7    Q.  AND IF DR. SOUTHWORTH WERE TO TESTIFY THAT THAT WAS A
       8    MILD STROKE, WOULD THAT MAKE ANY CHANGE IN YOUR OPINION AS
       9    TO HER CAUSE OF DEATH?
      10    A.  I DON'T THINK SO.  IS THAT WHAT HE TESTIFIED?
      11    Q.  I BELIEVE SO, INITIALLY.  BUT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY
      12    DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TESTIMONY?
      13    A.  NO.  I'D BE SURPRISED IF HE CHARACTERIZED IT AS MILD.
      14    Q.  OKAY.  AND IF HE WERE TO INDICATE THAT THE PATIENT WAS
      15    NOT CLOSE TO DYING AT THE TIME THIS OCCURRED, WOULD THAT
      16    CHANGE YOUR OPINION AT ALL?
      17    A.  NO, IT WOULDN'T.
      18    Q.  DOCTOR, ONE LAST QUESTION, OR A FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE WE
      19    CLOSE.  YOU'VE INDICATED THAT YOU'RE TESTIFYING HERE IN
      20    BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT, IS THAT CORRECT?
      21    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      22    Q.  AND YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT?
      23    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      24    Q.  AND AS AN EXPERT YOU HAVE REACHED A FEE AGREEMENT WITH
      25    THE DEFENDANT FOR YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY?


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       1    A.  CORRECT.
       2    Q.  HOW MUCH HAVE YOU CHARGED THE DEFENDANT FOR YOUR
       3    TESTIMONY TODAY?
       4    A.  MY RATE IS $300 AN HOUR.
       5    Q.  APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH HAVE YOU CHARGED SO FAR?
       6    A.  I DON'T KNOW.
       7    Q.  HAVE YOU SENT IN A BILL YET?
       8    A.  I SENT A BILLING EARLY ON, SOME MONTHS AGO.
       9    Q.  DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HOURS YOU'VE PUT IN ON THIS CASE TO
      10    THIS DATE?
      11    A.  NO, I DON'T.  I'M NOT SURE.
      12    Q.  AN ESTIMATE?
      13    A.  I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
      14             MR. MAJOR:  ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR.
      15                                 (PAUSE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.)
      16    Q.  (BY MR. MAJOR)  DOCTOR, YOU'VE ALSO INDICATED, ON YOUR
      17    INITIAL DIRECT EXAMINATION, THAT YOU HAVE TESTIFIED AS AN
      18    EXPERT BEFORE, IS THAT CORRECT?
      19    A.  RIGHT.
      20    Q.  AND HAVE YOU TESTIFIED IN CRIMINAL CASES BEFORE?
      21    A.  I HAVE.
      22    Q.  AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU TESTIFY IN CRIMINAL CASES THAT IS
      23    PRETTY MUCH FOR THE DEFENSE, CORRECT?
      24    A.  NO.
      25    Q.  HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TESTIFIED FOR THE DEFENSE?


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       1    A.  SOME NUMBER OF DOZENS.
       2    Q.  AND HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU SAY YOU'VE TESTIFIED ON
       3    BEHALF OF THE PROSECUTION?
       4    A.  A COUPLE DOZEN.
       5             MR. MAJOR:  NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, YOUR HONOR.
       6             THE COURT:  ANY REDIRECT?
       7             MR. STIRBA:  YES, YOUR HONOR.
       8                     REDIRECT EXAMINATION
       9    BY MR. STIRBA:
      10    Q.  DOCTOR, YOU WERE SHOWN SOME CALCULATIONS OUT OF THE
      11    P.D.R. THAT RELATED TO THE DURAGESIC PATCH AND AN ORAL
      12    MORPHINE DOSE.  DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
      13    A.  YES, I DO.
      14    Q.  DID THE PATIENTS, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THE RECORDS
      15    IN THIS CASE, RECEIVE ORAL DOSES OF MORPHINE?
      16    A.  NO, THEY DIDN'T.
      17    Q.  HOW WAS THE MORPHINE ADMINISTERED?
      18    A.  INTERMUSCULARLY BY SHOT.
      19    Q.  AND IS THAT SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WERE SHOWN
      20    AND IN TERMS OF THE MATERIAL THAT WAS DISPLAYED TO YOU?
      21    A.  WELL, YES.  THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE DURAGESIC AND
      22    THE EQUIVALENCY OF MORPHINE IN ORAL DOSAGES, YOU CAN'T JUST
      23    EQUATE THOSE STRAIGHT ACROSS TO INTERMUSCULAR
      24    ADMINISTRATIONS.
      25    Q.  AND WHY IS THAT?


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       1    A.  BECAUSE THE ABSORPTION AND DISTRIBUTION CHARACTERISTICS
       2    OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT.
       3    Q.  NOW, YOU REVIEWED MARY CRANE'S RECORDS.  ARE YOU AWARE
       4    OF DR. DIENHART'S REPORT OF CONSULTATION?
       5    A.  YES, I AM.
       6    Q.  AND DO YOU RECALL WHAT HE INDICATED IN TERMS OF HIS
       7    RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING THE DURAGESIC PATCH?
       8    A.  IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, DR. DIENHART --
       9    Q.  PERHAPS I CAN REFER YOU TO --
      10    A.  HE SAYS --
      11    Q.  -- WHAT IS MED 236, I BELIEVE.
      12    A.  OKAY.  YEAH.  HE SAYS, "AGREE WITH ADEQUATE PAIN CONTROL
      13    WITH NONSTEROIDAL ANTIINFLAMMATORY DRUGS AND DURAGESIC."
      14    Q.  AND ALSO --
      15    A.  HOWEVER, HE TALKS ABOUT SOME POSSIBLE ALLERGIES TO THE
      16    ANTIINFLAMMATORY, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT HE CONCURRED
      17    WITH THE 50-MILLIGRAM DOSAGE.  OR MICROGRAM DOSAGE, EXCUSE
      18    ME.
      19    Q.  IF YOU WOULD, TURN TO 235.
      20    A.  OKAY.
      21    Q.  THAT'S ALSO PART OF THAT REPORT, IS THAT RIGHT?
      22    A.  YOU KNOW, THAT'S MISSING IN MY BINDER UNFORTUNATELY.
      23    Q.  FROM THE EVIDENCE BINDER?
      24    A.  LET'S SEE.  YES.
      25    Q.  LOOK IN THE GRAY, PLEASE.


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       1    A.  ALL RIGHT.
       2    Q.  AND SPECIFICALLY THE NUMBER IS 235.
       3    A.  OKAY.
       4    Q.  THAT'S PART OF HIS REPORT FROM ANOTHER PAGE THAT YOU
       5    JUST REFERRED TO?
       6    A.  RIGHT.
       7    Q.  I'LL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION DOWN TO WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT
       8    MEDICATIONS.  DO YOU SEE THAT?
       9    A.  YES.
      10    Q.  THE LAST LINE THERE STATES WHAT?
      11    A.  "DURAGESIC, 50-MICROGRAM PATCH, Q THREE DAYS."
      12             MR. STIRBA:  THAT'S ALL.  THANK YOU.
      13             THE COURT:  ANYTHING FURTHER?
      14             MR. MAJOR:  JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
      15                      RECROSS-EXAMINATION
      16    BY MR. MAJOR:
      17    Q.  ARE YOU AWARE, DOCTOR, THAT AFTER THE REPORT BY DR.
      18    DIENHART, LATER ON IN THE TREATMENT OF MARY CRANE HE
      19    INDICATED THAT THE DURAGESIC PATCH SHOULD BE REDUCED TO 25
      20    MICROGRAMS?
      21    A.  I DON'T RECALL THAT, NO.
      22    Q.  WOULD YOU LOOK AT PAGE 242 IN THE BINDER?
      23    A.  YES.
      24    Q.  242.  SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A REFERENCE TO THE FACT OF THE
      25    REDUCTION OF DURAGESIC?


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       1    A.  ALL RIGHT.  (PAUSE.)  THERE'S AN ENTRY ON 1/1/96,
       2    "DECREASE DURAGESIC PATCH TO 25 MICROGRAMS."
       3    Q.  AND THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY DR. DIENHART?
       4    A.  IT LOOKS LIKE.
       5    Q.  HOWEVER, DR. WEITZEL CANCELLED THAT ORDER AND MAINTAINED
       6    IT AT THE 50 MICROGRAMS, IS THAT CORRECT?
       7    A.  (PAUSE.)  DR. WEITZEL, ON THE NEXT PAGE, ON 1/1, ORDERED
       8    50 MICS, Q THREE DAYS, RIGHT.
       9             MR. MAJOR:  THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, YOUR HONOR.
      10             THE COURT:  CAN THIS WITNESS BE EXCUSED?
      11             MR. STIRBA:  YES, YOUR HONOR.  OH, EXCUSE ME.  THE
      12    MATTER THAT WE BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
      13             THE COURT:  RIGHT.  I THINK HE SAID IT WAS A
      14    QUESTION OF FOUNDATION.  DO YOU WANT TO LAY THAT?
      15             MR. STIRBA:  I WILL.
      16                     REDIRECT EXAMINATION
      17    BY MR. STIRBA:
      18    Q.  DOCTOR, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH M.R.I.'S?
      19    A.  YES, I AM.
      20    Q.  AND HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION IN YOUR PRACTICE TO READ FILMS
      21    FROM M.R.I.'S?
      22    A.  THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF M.R.I.'S THAT I ORDER AND READ
      23    ROUTINELY.  MANY THAT I DON'T.  THE ONES THAT I DO ROUTINELY
      24    AS PART OF MY PRACTICE ARE SPINE M.R.I.'S AND BRAIN
      25    M.R.I.'S.  I DON'T READ OTHER TYPES ON A REGULAR BASIS.  BUT


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       1    BRAIN AND SPINE I DO.
       2    Q.  HOW MANY BRAIN M.R.I.'S DO YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE READ
       3    OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR CAREER?
       4    A.  OVER A HUNDRED.  HOW MANY MORE I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
       5    Q.  WOULD THE BRAIN M.R.I.'S THAT YOU'VE READ, WOULD THEY BE
       6    SIMILAR TO THE M.R.I. THAT WAS TAKEN OF THE BRAIN OF MR.
       7    ALLDREDGE?
       8    A.  YES.
       9    Q.  AND IN WHAT RESPECT WOULD THEY BE SIMILAR?
      10    A.  THE TECHNIQUE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WITH ALL THE
      11    MAGNETS.  M.R.I. REFERS TO MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING.  THE
      12    TECHNOLOGY IS THE SAME.  THE FORMAT OF THE FILMS THAT YOU
      13    GET, THE VIEWS AND ALL OF THAT, IS THE SAME.  I READ
      14    M.R.I.'S TAKEN FROM A DOZEN DIFFERENT FACILITIES UP AND DOWN
      15    THE WASATCH FRONT.  THEY ALL LOOK ABOUT THE SAME.
      16    Q.  FOR WHAT PURPOSE DO YOU READ BRAIN M.R.I.'S?
      17    A.  TO DIAGNOSIS PROBLEMS POTENTIALLY AFFECTING THE BRAIN.
      18    TO RULE OUT THE VARIOUS CONDITIONS THAT CAN CAUSE BRAIN
      19    DYSFUNCTION, SUCH AS TUMORS, SUCH AS BLEEDS, SUCH AS
      20    STROKES.
      21             MR. STIRBA:  WITH THAT FOUNDATION I'M DONE.
      22             THE COURT:  DO YOU WANT TO DO ANY QUESTIONING ABOUT
      23    FOUNDATION?
      24             MR. MAJOR:  NO, YOUR HONOR.
      25             THE COURT:  ALL RIGHT.  YOU MAY GO AHEAD.


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       1    Q.  (BY MR. STIRBA)  HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE FILM OF THE
       2    M.R.I. THAT WAS DONE ON MR. ALLDREDGE WHEN HE WAS IN THE
       3    HOSPITAL AT THE DAVIS HOSPITAL?
       4    A.  SOMEONE DELIVERED THOSE FILMS TO MY OFFICE ABOUT A WEEK
       5    AGO, MAYBE.
       6    Q.  DID YOU REVIEW THEM AT THAT TIME?
       7    A.  I DID.
       8    Q.  AND YOUR REVIEW OF THOSE FILMS, WAS IT SIGNIFICANT, IN
       9    TERMS OF YOUR OPINION, CONCERNING WHETHER OR NOT MR.
      10    ALLDREDGE HAD A STROKE?
      11    A.  IT WAS.
      12    Q.  AND CAN YOU TELL US IN WHAT WAY?
      13    A.  MY READING OF THE M.R.I. WAS REALLY QUITE SIMILAR TO THE
      14    RADIOLOGIST'S, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT I USED CLINICAL
      15    CORRELATION FROM THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT I'D REVIEWED.
      16    THE M.R.I. WAS CLEARLY ABNORMAL.  THERE WERE POSITIVE
      17    FINDINGS IN THE LEFT OCCIPUT.  IN MY OPINION, TO A
      18    REASONABLE MEDICAL CERTAINTY, THEY INDICATED THAT HE'D
      19    SUFFERED A STROKE IN THAT AREA.
      20             MR. STIRBA:  THANK YOU.  THAT'S ALL.
      21             THE COURT:  ANY FURTHER CROSS-EXAMINATION?
      22                      RECROSS-EXAMINATION
      23    BY MR. MAJOR:
      24    Q.  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE M.R.I.'S, DO YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT
      25    THE FILM OR JUST REVIEW THE REPORT?


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       1    A.  I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FILM.
       2    Q.  AND GENERALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FILM FOR PART OF
       3    YOUR EMERGENCY ROOM SITUATION, CORRECT?
       4    A.  BOTH.  I ORDER THEM FREQUENTLY IN MY OFFICE PRACTICE.  I
       5    SEE A LOT OF PATIENTS WITH CEREBRAL DYSFUNCTION.
       6    Q.  AND THAT'S MAINLY THE RESULT OF A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE,
       7    GETTING HIT IN THE HEAD, ACCIDENTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS?
       8    A.  YES.
       9    Q.  SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN LOOKING AT
      10    M.R.I.'S FOR A STROKE, SIMPLY FOR A STROKE?
      11    A.  WELL, I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT.  I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK
      12    AT THE FILM YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SHADOWS.  YOU'RE LOOKING
      13    TO SEE WHETHER THE ANATOMY IS NORMAL OR ABNORMAL, THE
      14    DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS.  THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS
      15    FOR THOSE SHADOWS.
      16    Q.  BUT I'M NOT ASKING THAT.  I'M ASKING DO YOU LOOK ON A
      17    REGULAR BASIS FOR STROKE VERSUS HEAD INJURIES CAUSED BY
      18    ACCIDENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING?
      19    A.  I LOOK ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR STROKE AS PART OF MY
      20    DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS OF THE PATIENT'S PROBLEM.
      21    Q.  YOU'RE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED IN RADIOLOGY?
      22    A.  I'M NOT.
      23    Q.  AND YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY A SPECIALIST IN RADIOLOGY?
      24    A.  THAT'S CORRECT.
      25    Q.  AND BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW OF THAT REPORT, WOULD YOU


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       1    HAVE -- IF YOU HAD BEEN IN THAT SITUATION WOULD YOU HAVE
       2    WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT M.R.I.?
       3    A.  I WOULD HAVE WANTED CLINICAL CORRELATION, JUST LIKE THE
       4    RADIOLOGIST DID.
       5    Q.  AND YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A
       6    SECOND M.R.I. DONE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION?
       7    A.  ACTUALLY THEY SUGGESTED -- THE PROBLEM WITH THAT M.R.I.
       8    WAS THAT THE PATIENT WAS AGITATED WHEN IT OCCURRED AND THERE
       9    WAS MOTION, WHICH MADE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO
      10    INTERPRET.  THEY SUGGESTED AS AN ALTERNATIVE AN M.R.I. UNDER
      11    ANESTHESIA.  THAT'S A RISKY THING TO DO.
      12    Q.  I UNDERSTAND THAT.  WOULD YOU HAVE WANTED A SECOND
      13    M.R.I. IF YOU'D BEEN IN THAT SITUATION?
      14    A.  WELL, THE REASON I RAISED THAT IS BECAUSE HAD I BEEN IN
      15    THAT SITUATION -- THE RADIOLOGIST REALLY ISN'T IN A POSITION
      16    TO WEIGH THE RISKS VERSUS BENEFITS OF PUTTING SOMEBODY TO
      17    SLEEP FOR A SECOND M.R.I.  WERE I IN THAT POSITION, I DON'T
      18    KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE DECIDED.
      19    Q.  YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN CONFIDENT ENOUGH, BASED ON THAT
      20    M.R.I. WITHOUT ANY FOLLOW UP, TO DECLARE THAT MR. ALLDREDGE
      21    WAS DYING?
      22    A.  WITH THE CLINICAL CORRELATION, YES.
      23             MR. MAJOR:  NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
      24             THE COURT:  ANYTHING FURTHER OF THIS WITNESS?
      25             MR. STIRBA:  NO, YOUR HONOR.


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       1             THE COURT:  NOW MAY HE BE EXCUSED?
       2             MR. STIRBA:  HE MAY.
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